ME Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 I need your help... We use >this lamping truck< and we need to weld a plate over the driver / passenger seats to protect the driver & passenger. The truck is used mainly with .22 but some HMR soon, what thickness of steel would be sufficient to protect the passenger and driver ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 20mm, my Hmr will go through 10mm at close range.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted April 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 20mm, my Hmr will go through 10mm at close range.!! Thats 2 centimetres or nearly an inch.... Cost isnt an issue as I take my boy out with us, but an inch thick will weigh and cost a lot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 (edited) Correct, get a sheet of 10mm and shoot it close range...see what happens Edited April 15, 2010 by Evil Elvis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted April 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 OK then, if honourable colleague EE is correct, can anyone get me a sheet of 20mm thick steel the size of a sunroof ? 60 cms x 30 approx ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 20mm, my Hmr will go through 10mm at close range.!! Presumably this was mild steel, though, Baz What you need is thinner armour plate like (for example) from these guys Bullet-proof! ps - used to work for a defence company many moons ago making turrets for armoured cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 There is a pattern plate on one of my shoots, thinking I was clever i thought it would make a good backstop, dont know whan type of steel it is but my hmr zipped through it and its at least 10mm thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Matt, You would be better off with a piece of Plexiglass. That way you can still see through it and it will be lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 (edited) plexiglass yes, Or and this may sound daft, build a wooden box, say 3/4 ply to suit the size you need and internally 6 inches wide and fill it with sand, check out the box o truth, 6 inches of sand stops the lot, .22, .223, 12 gauge slug may even be lighter than an inch of steel Edited April 16, 2010 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 silly question but if you lamp with rifles on a bipod on the roof how exactly do you propose trying to shoot the driver? I'd just stick some ply under the soft top to give a stable base and job done. We lamp regularly from my L200 and you sit a lot further back but if shooting from a bipod it is impossible to put one through the roof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot7.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 silly question but if you lamp with rifles on a bipod on the roof how exactly do you propose trying to shoot the driver? I'd just stick some ply under the soft top to give a stable base and job done. We lamp regularly from my L200 and you sit a lot further back but if shooting from a bipod it is impossible to put one through the roof I will add to that, nothing is impossible but I doubt you will ever have any issues, after all the chances of the bullet coming through the sunroof is remote. What about the rest of the roof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 silly question but if you lamp with rifles on a bipod on the roof how exactly do you propose trying to shoot the driver? I'd just stick some ply under the soft top to give a stable base and job done. We lamp regularly from my L200 and you sit a lot further back but if shooting from a bipod it is impossible to put one through the roof We dont use bipods and two of the Rugers are shortened to 12" and 14". After bouncing around on the back last night I wouldnt want to take the risk. My eldest lad comes with us sometimes and I want him and the driver to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Am I right in saying you need the protection up the back on the cab, and not over the roof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 (edited) If you can angle the sheet 45 degrees, you'll double the thickness the bullet needs to penetrate, thus halving the total weight you'd use. An HMR will go through an alarmingly thick piece of metal at close range. Edited April 16, 2010 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Protection for the driver and passenger in the front. It would have to be a pretty freak accident to stick one down through the roof but accidents do happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 The problem with a metal sheet angled or otherwise is in the event of an ND where will the ricochet go? most likely back at whoever is on top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8landy Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 To keep things simple why not just kit out the driver and passenger with these??? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRITISH-MARK-6-ALPHA...=item51911a900c http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Individual-BulletPro...=item4aa03cd2ba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 To keep things simple why not just kit out the driver and passenger with these??? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRITISH-MARK-6-ALPHA...=item51911a900c http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Individual-BulletPro...=item4aa03cd2ba We did talk about some army helmets ! Something like this - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 (edited) You could always swap the seats around so the driver and passenger sit on top Mr Bean Stylie and the shooters sit in the cab. Edited April 16, 2010 by MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 get bipods then and keep the rifles on the roof the muzzle even when shortened should be almost over their heads. On mine the safety is always on and usually I just pick the rifle up if we're coming out of a field etc and its likely to be bouncy. look at technique before worrying too much with bullet proofing the entire truck. Then make sure the driver goes at a reasonable speed and you will be fine. Afterall where do you stop, putting something up to stop a centrefire round at close range? As ever always note where the barrels are pointed and you won't have a safety issue. I would put a solid roof on it so you have a decent rest but thats about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Please tell me this is a joke? When lamping you should drive slowly enough to not be bounced all over the truck. If for any reason you need to get the pace up a bit lock the bolt open and apply the safety until you need to shoot. All you need to do is tug the bolt handle and release it and you're ready to go. Armour plated roof... You're having a laugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 We oftern shoot out the top of my truck. I just tell the driver to duck behind the wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 or try a double/ triple skin of 3mm hot rolled steel sheet, sandwich some carbon fibre sheet between. or stainless steel. EE are you sure it's 10mm? my 22/250 won't do that a 20yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 <serious hat on> You don't need it ME... so long as the shooters are trustworthy, and know how to safely load / unload - and store said firearms whilst on top - you should be fine. Although I'm partly deaf in my right ear from Stealth Stalkers 243 now - It helps not to have the window fully open, when a centrefire is fired 6 inches above your head GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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