tinytim38 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 why is it so expensive compared to most other makes? what are the advantages of this brass ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Reloading a cartridge is basically replicating the same thing over and over again so that the end result is constant, therefore if the brass is consistantly the same volume internally and externally then we are starting well. Then you have to weigh them so they are all the same along with the bullets......(note I said you !) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 I purchased 100 in .223 cal .The match brass is thinner and more consistant .For target shooting or long range hunting this brass is worth paying for but for a basic hunting round I would say not . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 why is it so expensive compared to most other makes? what are the advantages of this brass ? because the quality is better,you can make cheaper brass like winchester as good but you need to do a lot of prep work for example neck turning primer pocket cutting internal flash hole de buring then you can weigh them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) Lapua was always traditionally considered the best brass but that is not nearly so true as it used to be. Privi brass is very good now and seems as consistant. If you use brass you have accumulated from different sources, even if its all one headstamp it will have been made on different machines at different times and will be liable to variations. Lapua brass could be bought as virgin cases so buying a hundred gave you the prospect of having cases all from one making and hence total consistancy. The price however is very steep. Privi or Winchester cases can also be bought as virgin brass but be sure to specify all one batch and check the batch numbers before you pay for it. its usually printed inside or on the box somewhere. The same goes for bullets, always check the batch numbers and reject them if they don't match. powder too, there is always a batch number to check. Primers you tend to buy by the thousand anyway so its not so critical but if you are buying more than one box again check the batch numbers to be totally sure. None of this does away with the other case preps like de,burring or reaming flash holes, case neck turning etc if you want to get top results. Edited May 9, 2010 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytim38 Posted May 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 any more thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 I spend less time on Brass prep and more time shooting with lapua brass.. Plus - My load uses less powder in lapua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 On the last lot of Lapua .. open box .. visual check that holes in right place .. drop into wilson gage then run over a neck mandrel ... load and shoot. Better than waiting for a wet wednesday to sort, weigh, polish etc just to find out they're all pretty consistent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 I've always found the quality of Lapua brass gives me more reloads before having to discard the case because of split necks etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 I've always found the quality of Lapua brass gives me more reloads before having to discard the case because of split necks etc. But do you get enough extra loads out of them to justify the price compared to say Privi cases? After 5-10 reloads any case no matter the make is going to be weakened by the firing and resizing. You shouldn't really wait till the neck splits before you bin them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 in the Lapua manual they say the cases are designed to give at least 10 reloads .. one person I know says 'bin at 10' another says 'when 1 cracks bin the batch' both keep records and are 'careful loaders'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 (edited) in the Lapua manual they say the cases are designed to give at least 10 reloads .. another says 'when 1 cracks bin the batch' both keep records and are 'careful loaders'. Thats a bit harsh because the odd case will split simply due to a flaw in the metal. The point is that once a neck has been fired and resized a few times it will become weaker even if it doesn't split. Its more about consistant neck tension than actual case failure. The primer pocket tends to get a bit loose too and you may start to see little soot marks. Many cases separate at the base as well of course. It would be interesting to know how many reloads you can actually get out of a case if you just went on reloading till it split with no thought for any other considerations. Edited May 13, 2010 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 There's an chapter in PO Ackleys book where Fred Huntingdon took exception to a article saying that dies wear out cases .... He took 4 cases, fired and full length sized them without neck lube ..they went - 55, 50, 52, 36 times before the necks split. Says he then took 3 more cases and ran them thro the sizer / expander with no/some lube .. they went at least 100x before one split .. then he took 1 and lubed/ sized/ fired it 16x.... But how many extra reloads does it take to make the Lapua 'good value' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner4hire Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 I think as an overall product it is better. Quality control is better as is the production. You may well get more reloads out of it but I find Lapua brass takes all the hassle out of initial brass prep as it is consistantly and well made. Plus I havent had to chuck any Lapua virgin brass due to defects/inconsistancy. Remember consistancy is key for accurate reloading!! Thats worth it for me!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 (edited) I've just checked a once fired Norma case against a once fired Lapua Match case. (Both after cleaning) Lapua = 95.7grn Norma - 92.7grn Lapua... built to last Edited May 17, 2010 by garyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 nostler make custom brass to. ive never tryed it but hear from other people on the forums its very good consistant stuff. mite be worth a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I can recommend mail order brass from Kent Ammo Supplies. http://www.kentammosupplies.co.uk/page6a.html Best part of £10 cheaper INC delivery than anywhere else for 223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I've just checked a once fired Norma case against a once fired Lapua Match case. (Both after cleaning) Lapua = 95.7grn Norma - 92.7grn Lapua... built to last I class the normas as freebies though as already had one shot from them and the last lot were about 80p each loaded compared to Laupa at 55p unloaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Don't get me wrong... Norma is very good brass! I've used lots of it in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 be interesting to see the difference with the federal as well, might have to bite the bullet so to speak at some point and buy Laupa though as I get the feeling it gets a tad addictive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 It pays for itself in the long run - mostly with the less time you spend sizing / trimming and prepping the stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 But do you get enough extra loads out of them to justify the price compared to say Privi cases? After 5-10 reloads any case no matter the make is going to be weakened by the firing and resizing. You shouldn't really wait till the neck splits before you bin them. In my case yes, it is very much worth the extra. Having said that all my rifles are custom/semi custom built so only get the best fodder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner4hire Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 I can recommend mail order brass from Kent Ammo Supplies. http://www.kentammosupplies.co.uk/page6a.html Best part of £10 cheaper INC delivery than anywhere else for 223 Thats where I get mine from too - good bloke and quick to deliver :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackReady Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Privi made the brass for Lapua for years hence the quality of their stuff now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Is that right ... ? Prvi is good stuff, no doubt about that. Do you have some evidence for this please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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