CPSA

[magman]

How many registered grounds do you have in your area ? and do you feel the CPSA should be doing more to encourage new grounds ?

 

 

I will start we have 1 in Cheshire and feel let down :blink:

[Bigweed]

Nothing in Kent that does Sporting.

 

The other grounds reasonably near me in Surrey (Horne and Caterham) hold very little registered sporting shoots.

 

Seems they could do more to encourage registered sporting events

Edited May 12, 2010 by Bigweed

[MC]

Nothing in Essex either,

 

I would have 1 1/2 or 2 hour drive to my nearest registered shoot. Yet there is about a dozen club shoots within 20 miles. No brainer really.

[Chard]

We often (every weekend ) drive for 1-1.5 hours to get to registered shoots in Staffordshire or Leicestershire, seems to be a few down there (Doveridge, Shugborough, Kingsley Moor, Kegworth etc).

 

Other than that it's Llandegla in North Wales, Hodnet in Shropshire (about an hour) or 1.5 hours or more into North Yaaaaaarkshire, like Coniston (******* student territory) :blink:

 

Naff all in the immediate area of Mancsville, though there are vicious rumours that Worsley and Catton Hall might start holding registered shoots again

 

Of course, I'm talking about Sporting, not these other sleep-inducing exercises. :lol:

Edited May 12, 2010 by Chard

[Nicky T]

Naff all in the immediate area of Mancsville, though there are vicious rumours that Worsley and Catton Hall might start holding registered shoots again :blink:

 

Catton Hall have confirmed that as of June they are back to holding regular monthly registered shoots

 

Worsley is still work in progress but the proverbial door is open and waiting for the CPSA to walk through it this time

[magman]

Nothing in Essex either,

 

I would have 1 1/2 or 2 hour drive to my nearest registered shoot. Yet there is about a dozen club shoots within 20 miles. No brainer really.

 

Wish i had that option :blink:

 

Strange thing is sealand shooting school used to be one of the biggest in the country and no longer care about the clay side of it

[beretta]

Wish i had that option :blink:

 

Strange thing is sealand shooting school used to be one of the biggest in the country and no longer care about the clay side of it

 

 

yeah but they were a trap ground.

[magman]

yeah but they were a trap ground.

 

Maybe but another one gone

Seems to be more grounds pulling out of registered comps than joining :blink: does this tell you something

[Mungler]

Two seconds, I just need to fetch my soap box.

[Nicky T]

Two seconds, I just need to fetch my soap box.

 

:blink:

[Anni]

I could probably become a AA shot if I kept to Catton hall and Worsley if they were to become registered again

 

I would still travel a few miles every sunday to get a better veriaty of targets and a better all round idea of how bad a shot I really am.

 

CPSA need to pull there fingers out for the shooters in Essex (That region) though, as there must be thousands of potential customers there.

 

I know some of these Essex boys and girls really do have Competitive streaks

[beretta]

the old story though. it costs to join the cpsa and a lot dont want to pay.

[MC]

the old story though. it costs to join the cpsa and a lot dont want to pay.

 

 

It is nothing to do with that on my part, If there was al least one registered shoot a month fairly local to me I would gladly join. The problem is the CPSA want to take everyones money and not give anything in return.

 

Why should they promote anything? People pay in their thousands every year blindly and get nothing in return.

[Chard]

Why should they promote anything? People pay in their thousands every year blindly and get nothing in return.

 

 

Now that's not fair. They get a very nice badge when they first join

[MC]

Now that's not fair. They get a very nice badge when they first join

 

 

Oh yes I am sorry,

 

They do get something in return, well worth the 60 odd quid a year.

[Catamong]

Nothing in Essex either,

 

I would have 1 1/2 or 2 hour drive to my nearest registered shoot. Yet there is about a dozen club shoots within 20 miles. No brainer really.

 

As usual, way off the mark.

 

There are, in fact, 5 grounds in Essex that run Registered events, but not many of those run Registered Sporting shoots, MC has obviously forgotten where he's going next weekend, (to one of those grounds, Hepworth Hall SG, in Essex, to shoot 100 REGISTERED Sporting).

 

The CPSA does not exist to set up shooting grounds, it's there to administer the sport for those that want to shoot competitively, shooting grounds can only be set up by those with access to suitable land, and the financial resources to equip and run the ground.

 

I believe that the CPSA does offer support to ground owners, but there are a lot of ground owners out there with egos as big as an Essex mans backside who don't take kindly to advice from the CPSA when it's offered in good faith.

 

Cat.

[Markio]

Nothing in Essex either,

I would have 1 1/2 or 2 hour drive to my nearest registered shoot. Yet there is about a dozen club shoots within 20 miles. No brainer really.

 

Clacton have sportrap and often do All-Rounds. No good to the sporting fan however!

 

On that note i spoke to the ground owner on Saturday at the Oakley shoot. The likes of us would need a CPSA day pass then we can shoot there, figured it might be worth a go one day if anyone fancies a crack at the All-Round?

[MC]

As usual, way off the mark.

 

There are, in fact, 5 grounds in Essex that run Registered events, but not many of those run Registered Sporting shoots, MC has obviously forgotten where he's going next weekend, (to one of those grounds, Hepworth Hall SG, in Essex, to shoot 100 REGISTERED Sporting).

 

The CPSA does not exist to set up shooting grounds, it's there to administer the sport for those that want to shoot competitively, shooting grounds can only be set up by those with access to suitable land, and the financial resources to equip and run the ground.

 

I believe that the CPSA does offer support to ground owners, but there are a lot of ground owners out there with egos as big as an Essex mans backside who don't take kindly to advice from the CPSA when it's offered in good faith.

 

Cat.

 

 

Oh yes Hepworth Hall. How many times is that used again? 3 times a year? And I am going to shoot 100 sporting, I am not a member of the CPSA anymore so it won't be registered for me.

 

This is the CPSA's mission statement lifted directly from their website

 

"The Clay Pigeon Shooting Association endeavours to promote the Sport and in so doing provide facilities through its members' clubs, which allow legitimate clay shooting enthusiasts to pursue their interests in a safe and well-managed environment.

 

We shall also continue to play a fundamental role in informing, educating and raising the awareness in society on the safe, responsible and legal use of shotguns."

 

How do they promote the sport? How do they encourage the sport? Why is it that when one shoot local to me needed some assistance (and they were an affiliated club) they didn't get it?

 

Why is it that you don't see the CPSA stand at any game fairs or large shoots? (They weren't at the Essex Masters this year) The NRA managed to get from Bisley to the Norfolk game fair yet the cpsa didn't.

 

Where are the other 4 grounds then Cat?

 

If you mean Clacton Gun Club for all round or sportrap? or Parkford for skeet but where are th sporting shoots? After all I thought Sporting was the most popular discipline? Aren't the Apparent Governing body missing a trick?

[Mungler]

Cat, has anyone mentioned in this thread anything about skeet, DTL, OT or other obscure disciplines?

 

In Essex there are no regular registered ESP events. To suggest otherwise shows that you are being awkward for the sake of it.

 

To my knowledge there was one registered ESP shoot at Dartford about 3 years ago and there's that Dyson do at Hepworth Hall at the end of the month where no one knows precisely what the cost is or if you need to be a CPSA member or not. Indeed, I forget that the Dartford one was actually just over the Bridge and so was in freekin Kent. Oh yes, the nearest Essex ESP registered shoot was in freekin Kent

 

Have a look at the CPSA webby - select registered events, ESP discipline, for the next month or year and select Essex and see what you get. Well I can actually tell you, you get offered a whole load of "non registered" events that aren't even the ESP discipline and seem to just involve Parkford wherever TF that is.

[paulos]

Clacton have sportrap and often do All-Rounds. No good to the sporting fan however!

 

On that note i spoke to the ground owner on Saturday at the Oakley shoot. The likes of us would need a CPSA day pass then we can shoot there, figured it might be worth a go one day if anyone fancies a crack at the All-Round?

 

Sportrap is good fun, and really under-rated as a discipline. Definitely worth a go I struggle to shoot 100 ABT or DTL but A/R is fun to shoot as well

[David BASC]

It is important that shooting opportunities are easily accessible- that’s a given surely?

 

If there is a need for more grounds to be registered for registered shoots, then I would think the best bet would be for CPSA members in the areas where registered shoots are lacking to contact the CPSA and contact the grounds in the area and see if the two can marry up!

 

For those (like me) that have no interest in registered shoots (I’m not very good at competitive clay shooting) then there are plenty of other grounds around where you can ‘pay and play’ I guess?

 

David

[MC]

The thing is the way I see it is the grounds can make more money without any grief form the CPSA. You only need to turn up at JJ's, Copfurn, or 3 acres on a sunday morning to see that.

 

All three that I have mentioned could hold very good registered shoots and from what Chard and Anni have said so could the Fennes as they reckoned the Fennes was harder than most registereds they go to.

 

Also as the Fennes is run by one of the Essex CPSA committee there is obviously more to it than just having the ground. My guess is it is a load of aggro and CPSA petty politics which noone wants.

[Chard]

The thing is the way I see it is the grounds can make more money without any grief form the CPSA. You only need to turn up at JJ's, Copfurn, or 3 acres on a sunday morning to see that.

 

All three that I have mentioned could hold very good registered shoots and from what Chard and Anni have said so could the Fennes as they reckoned the Fennes was harder than most registereds they go to.

 

Also as the Fennes is run by one of the Essex CPSA committee there is obviously more to it than just having the ground. My guess is it is a load of aggro and CPSA petty politics which noone wants.

 

 

I was certainly impressed with The Fennes, a lot of good targets there. By the Essex boys own admission, me and Anni were only shown the "good" targets , but there were loads of them

 

That ground could definitely put on a good challenging registered shoot, with the stands that we saw, mixed with a few gimmies that we didn't see, there would be something for everyone. Very good high tower too and they made good use of it, serving interesting birds to several stands.

 

I don't know why they don't do it, as MC says there must be a reason. Might be aggro, might be something else. I find it hard to believe that holding registered shoots is unprofitable. I know there are extra costs for refs etc, but if the ground owners would take into account the potential extra business from registered shooters using the ground for practice etc, as well as the comps, I would have thought it would pay

[MC]

Chard,

 

There were no "Targets" at the Fennes, they were plenty of "BIRDS" for you to KILL.

 

Maybe that is why they don't hold registered?

 

I see Cat is hanging in the wings to come along with a few ,more put down comments but not actually answer anything. When you have been in this game as long as I have you may actually learn something.

 

Poppycack :lol:

[Catamong]

Some parts of the Country are literally spoiled for choice, in the Midlands there are probably a dozen grounds within a 50 mile radius of Derby that regularly run Registered Sporting shoots, but the closer you get to civilization, (i.e. London), the fewer they become.

 

There isn't a single ground in Herts that runs regular Reg Sporting shoots, but that's not the fault of the CPSA, let's face it, it's far easier to run a "biff" shoot for the benefit of muppets without the hastle of having to provide proper regulation targets, trained scorers and actually have to pay back some prize money to the punters.

 

Running Registered shoots is aggro for the ground owner, he has to make a judgement as to whether the payback to him is worth that aggro, it's as simple as that.

 

Some grounds do it very successfully, others are quite happy to provide a boring "straw bale" shoot with a load of floppers on the end of the barrel which they know will appeal to the newbies, it's their choice.

 

Cat.