Imperfection Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Only in the hands of responsable owners.....obviously or we would not be having this debate. Same could be said of guns.They can kill,but should they be banned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Same could be said of guns.They can kill,but should they be banned? There is at least a system in place to try and insure responsible ownership. And the full force of the law is directed at those who fall out with that system. We would not be having this debate about the use of an illegally own fire arm, nor would we be debating a death caused by a legally held fire arm being used in an inappropriate manner. Anyway the ownership of semi automatic centerfire rifles is effectively banned. I really do not believe that your comparison holds water. Sorry. Edited June 1, 2010 by alexr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Same could be said of guns.They can kill,but should they be banned? no, but the point being made is that guns aren't given to those that can't handle them. A dog may be a man's best friend, but no dog should be left alone with child. Not my collie, not a jack Russell, nor a Doberman, rotweiller, or in this case, bulldog. I would even put money on a guide dog having attacked a child at some point, it happens, the breed isn't the problem (although it does play a part, but please, not again) it's the owners responsibility. Don't leave 5 years olds around dogs, period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshotkiller Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 The number of fatalities attributed to pit bull-type dogs is not affected by a physiological "locking mechanism" since there is no evidence for the existence of such a mechanism in the teeth or jaw structure of normal pit bull-type dogs, although many dog's jaws can be locked in a closed position by surgically-correctable jaw abnormalities.Despite the lack of a physiological "jaw locking" mechanism, pit bull-type dogs often exhibit "bite, hold, and shake" behavior and refuse to release when biting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 There is at least a system in place to try and insure responsible ownership. And the full force of the law is directed at those who fall out with that system. We would not be having this debate about the use of an illegally own fire arm, nor would we be debating a death caused by a legally held fire arm being used in an inappropriate manner. Anyway the ownership of semi automatic centerfire rifles is effectively banned. I really do not believe that your comparison holds water. Sorry. You been smoking somthing exotic? Where did i mention semi-autos??? My point is that both dogs and guns (and cars,trucks,scissors etc) can kill,but its absurd to ban them all! Anyway,we'll have to agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majordisorder Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Aren't "Pit bull type" dogs just Chav status symbols? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 You been smoking somthing exotic? Where did i mention semi-autos??? My point is that both dogs and guns (and cars,trucks,scissors etc) can kill,but its absurd to ban them all! Anyway,we'll have to agree to disagree. What I am trying to get across is that yes they may well make good pets in the hands of responsible owners, but I don't know any personally. Most of the bull dog type dogs I come in contact with are owned by job shy adolesants who are smoking something exotic and do not give a jot for the potential damage the dog can do. They actively use the animals to intimidate other people, yet only maintain control over them themselves by the use of violence. It does not come as a surprise that the occasional child is killed by these dogs what surprises me is that it is as few as it is. Now I work in a very deprived area, and I am sure that there are responsible owners out there, but I am fed up hearing the same sad arguments put forward about this issue. The owner of the pit bull that killed the child in Liverpool last year got 4 months. If he had even pointed a legally owned shot gun at the child and threatened to shot he would have got 5 years min. The point made earlier remains true. The original reason for this dog bread has gone. I no longer keep leaches, as there use in modern medicine is some what limited, yet any idiot can own a pit bull if they know where to look and if they have enough cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster123 Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 you cant ban nan breads from owning a gun either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 What I am trying to get across is that yes they may well make good pets in the hands of responsible owners, but I don't know any personally. Most of the bull dog type dogs I come in contact with are owned by job shy adolesants who are smoking something exotic and do not give a jot for the potential damage the dog can do. They actively use the animals to intimidate other people, yet only maintain control over them themselves by the use of violence. It does not come as a surprise that the occasional child is killed by these dogs what surprises me is that it is as few as it is. Now I work in a very deprived area, and I am sure that there are responsible owners out there, but I am fed up hearing the same sad arguments put forward about this issue. The owner of the pit bull that killed the child in Liverpool last year got 4 months. If he had even pointed a legally owned shot gun at the child and threatened to shot he would have got 5 years min. The point made earlier remains true. The original reason for this dog bread has gone. I no longer keep leaches, as there use in modern medicine is some what limited, yet any idiot can own a pit bull if they know where to look and if they have enough cash. This is my point.I own a large Bullmastiff,but im not a work shy adolescent and neither do i use him as a weapon so why should i give up my right to own a breed i genuinly like.Im responsible,he's not dangerous and i even clear his poop away also! Like i said though-we'll have to agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 A link would be nice http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/tm_headl...-name_page.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 i even clear his poop away also! Like i said though-we'll have to agree to disagree. Point taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprocket Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 What we seem to be overlooking here is the fact that a 5 yr old child has been seriously injured / disfigured for life. Can I ask those that support the breed how they'd feel if it was either their Child OR Dog involved in this incident? Is it really worth taking the risk? IMHO no child should suffer the pain which this one has gone through - irrespective of whether it was Dog OR Owners responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant Feeder Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 A responsible person who owns any dog takes the time and effort to train the dog. As a nation we have lost the skill in training dogs. I have never attended a dog training class but frequently recieve compliments on the behavoir of my two dogs (German Shepherd's). Growing up my father trained the family dog, from an era when dog training class's didn't exist. Dog's are animals with an animals perspective on every aspect of their life food, toys, space/area etc. It is us as humans who are trying to undo many of a dogs natural behavoirs because they don't fit nicely into our life's. A responsible person will also take the time to educate a child in their care as to what is acceptable and what is not and how to behave around a dog. I see more kids who are allowed to do whatever pleases their little hearts desires with no consideration for the consequenses or how it might affect others, where the prospect of saying NO to a child is unthinkable. Is it any wonder that when children are unaware of what NO or DON'T mean that they cannot be trusted around dogs. Just my humble opinion and directed at society in general not members of this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I think if they just stop numpties having big powerful dogs then problem solved. Hopefully they would not let your local thieving chav have a gun so why let them have a big dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 (edited) The number of fatalities attributed to pit bull-type dogs is not affected by a physiological "locking mechanism" since there is no evidence for the existence of such a mechanism in the teeth or jaw structure of normal pit bull-type dogs, although many dog's jaws can be locked in a closed position by surgically-correctable jaw abnormalities.Despite the lack of a physiological "jaw locking" mechanism, pit bull-type dogs often exhibit "bite, hold, and shake" behavior and refuse to release when biting. I agree that the locking mechanism is a bit of an urban myth. I believe dogs jaws are similiar to aligator/crocodile jaws in respect that all the power is in the closing of the jaws and very little in the opening. Hence you can hold the jaws of a gator/croc closed but don't go sticking any part of your person in there. At the other end of the spectrum, when we had our cocker spaniel, if she didn't want to open up then those snappers were pretty much closed tight and we had to press on the side behind the jaw to get her to open up. For the record, we had to open her mouth to get her tablets down her but only on the occaissions when she kept spitting it out of the turkey ham. She had a lot of health problems being a pedigree. Gordon, I know you weren't having a pop but I feel maybe I didn't explain myself fully. No offence taken. Edited June 2, 2010 by Doc Holliday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Cheers Doc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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