adymorris Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 So who has the vermin/rabbit condition on their license other that the avian pest condition... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 So who has the vermin/rabbit condition on their license other that the avian pest condition... Mine says "shall be used for shooting vermin" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 (edited) I've got all legal quarry/vermin/clay target. Not that i can hit much with it anyway, the SPAS will be up for sale soon i reckon, might do a p/x. Edited June 19, 2010 by GRAM71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adymorris Posted June 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 So then, is this a discretionary condition relative to the issuing county do we think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 I believe the guidelines suggest S1 shotguns may be granted for use where avian pests are a serious problem, hence that is what they tend to be conditioned for. However, as with all fac conditions, if you can demonstrate to your licensing manager that you need to use a particular firearm for a specific purpose because of your job or a serious pest predation problem you will find that such a condition will be granted irrespective of which area you come under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adymorris Posted June 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 I believe the guidelines suggest S1 shotguns may be granted for use where avian pests are a serious problem, hence that is what they tend to be conditioned for. However, as with all fac conditions, if you can demonstrate to your licensing manager that you need to use a particular firearm for a specific purpose because of your job or a serious pest predation problem you will find that such a condition will be granted irrespective of which area you come under. Did you get that condition automatically granted or did you need to ask for in in addition to avian pests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 (edited) I've got all legal quarry Is there a restriction on how many cartridges a gun can hold for shooting game? Not that Im planning one.. just curious Edited June 20, 2010 by CZ452 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Is there a restriction on how many cartridges a gun can hold for shooting game? Not that Im planning one.. just curious Not sure about Game but there certainly is for wildfowl, It can only hold a maximum of 3 cartridges. So FAC shotguns cannot be used for wildfowling. I have yet to see the advantage of them for vermin shooting anyway, you may get 5 or 8 shots off quicker the first time. But over a box of cartridges I could shoot an over and under faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 game is the same as wildfowl so illegal to use. Like MC can't see the point as its rare to get 3 shots off on bunnies or pigeons unless you're a really poor shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I suppose it means all legal quarry for a sec1 shotgun? I agree with the fact that it's not much use having the extra capacity, other than the time it supposedly saves reloading. I guess i'm falling out of love with the idea of a hi cap shotty, i miss my browning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 They certainly come in handy on squirrel days when 3+ exit a drey in all directions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 They certainly come in handy on squirrel days when 3+ exit a drey in all directions. definitely, i got the spas specifically for rabbits in the hay meadow, with its short barrel i thought it would be ideal, the main problem is it's not very pointable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Just as an aside, how many of you section 1 shotty owners got it on an open cert from the start? The HO guidelines say they should always be granted as open from the start, just wondered if this was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Thanks for the replies..i don't see much point in them either to be honest; three shots is enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Just as an aside, how many of you section 1 shotty owners got it on an open cert from the start? The HO guidelines say they should always be granted as open from the start, just wondered if this was the case. thinking back mine was open but limited to birds at first, i then got the second gun on a variation and told the feo that i wanted it for close range rabbits in the hay meadow, then asked for the conditions to be changed to allow for clays. i didn't encounter any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olddogfox Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Me and my mate had to wait about 12 months to have vermin added. The FAO said that I should have had clay shooting from the beginning when I asked. The five shot is very handy for pigeon shooting and a higher capacity is great when you are shooting rabbits off the truck. I have shot 3 for 3 loads of time and had 3 for 4 aswell so the FAC is worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Remember that all auto's were 5 shot until they were banned and had to be restricted to 3 shot. People didn't suggest that they were unnecessary . They do have a use when dealing with serious pest problems when an extra couple of shots count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I'm sure they have their uses. Just not for me :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adymorris Posted June 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I have yet to see the advantage of them for vermin shooting anyway, you may get 5 or 8 shots off quicker the first time. But over a box of cartridges I could shoot an over and under faster. Harvest time is the time you will see an advantage - not so much about loading a box full quicker but more along the lines of needing 4/5/6 shots quickly then while there is a bit of a lull reload to have a full mag at your disposal for the next pass of the combine. Last harvest we took on average 40 rabbits per field, with more shots available I could have had 60 as the ******* were running as I was reloading. One field we shot had 2 on the first couple of cuts then 22 on the last cut - the driver slowed down to stop them running so quickly - we needed belt fed shotguns on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adymorris Posted June 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Well the paperwork has gone in - will see what happens next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Although they can fire 5 shots quickly they are then very slow to reload so the reason the police don't like them is largely negated. I reckon you could fire ten shots quicker with a sxs or an o/u edjector. Back in the days when they were allowed they never put in much of a performance on flurry shoots. The shooter would spend ages reloading while clay after clay flew over unchallenged. They say that the fastest gun for sustained fire is the old Greener GP single barrel because an experienced user can reload without taking the gun out of the shoulder. Now thats food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adymorris Posted June 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Although they can fire 5 shots quickly they are then very slow to reload so the reason the police don't like them is largely negated. I reckon you could fire ten shots quicker with a sxs or an o/u edjector.Back in the days when they were allowed they never put in much of a performance on flurry shoots. The shooter would spend ages reloading while clay after clay flew over unchallenged. They say that the fastest gun for sustained fire is the old Greener GP single barrel because an experienced user can reload without taking the gun out of the shoulder. Now thats food for thought. Couple of points here I already have a slot for a section 1 with the avian pest condition on it - the original question was relating to the varying regional differences in the granting of vermin. I'd also like to point out again that speed is not the issue it's the availability of several shots at any given point - it takes virtually the same amount of time to load 3 sets of 2 shells as it does one set of 6, saying that everyones assuming I'd be using a fixed magazine semi auto - so about that speed thing, hmmmm - lets just say Saiga 12 & drum magazine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 I use my FAC 12 bore for crow shooting mostly.....Great having 8 dead in the air with the farmer watching!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Although they can fire 5 shots quickly they are then very slow to reload so the reason the police don't like them is largely negated. I reckon you could fire ten shots quicker with a sxs or an o/u edjector.Back in the days when they were allowed they never put in much of a performance on flurry shoots. The shooter would spend ages reloading while clay after clay flew over unchallenged. They say that the fastest gun for sustained fire is the old Greener GP single barrel because an experienced user can reload without taking the gun out of the shoulder. Now thats food for thought. Vince You have PM N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 mine was open from the start and can shoot vermin as well as ground game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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