duck shooting

[swiss.tony]

This has bin a good arguement . But i do agree get the right tools for the job .Im going to ANNAN think thats how u spell it for 2 day gosseing on 1st of september and iv spent 500 quid on a 3-1/2 magnum auto and may mates loading 60odd grams AAA THAT SHOULD KILL EM wood never dream about shooting a goose with clay cart and iv never bin before but WAT DO I NO ?

[Guest cookoff013]

its only £4 a box of #3-4 shells.

 

just do the right thing and buy them and think nothing else.

 

i agree with mc. stop dicking around with clay loads.

[MC]

calm down keep the stress levels under control, It was purely saying to be absolutely certain of a kill on ducks that would need to be the lengths you would have to go to unless you never miss or ***** one. Not that I use a rifle on ducks obviously as that wouldn't be sporting.

 

As for the rifle well some of us do vermin control some clearly don't shoot much, under the circumstances last night it would have been impossible to shoot anyone but hey ho

 

Rifle on ducks not sporting? damn right it isn't, but then you advocate the use of 7.5s in steel and that isn't either.

 

How would it have been impossible to shoot someone? did you absolutely know that there wasn't anyone within 2 miles in any direction? Has your rifle got a SPECIAL safety catch that absolutely cannot fail ever?

 

And if you are refering to me when you say some don't shoot much you have never been so wrong about anything in your life.

 

And Swiss tony,

 

Sorry mate you have wasted your cash, you really should listen to these armchair experts who claim to be wildfowling experts (Who live in a landlocked county). All you need is a beretta o/u and a handful of clay cartridges to fill your boots. :blink: :huh:

 

Sorry for the sarcasm, you have done the right thing and got the correct gun and ammo for your trip, I sincerely hope you enjoy it and get a few.

[Guest cookoff013]

This has bin a good arguement . But i do agree get the right tools for the job .Im going to ANNAN think thats how u spell it for 2 day gosseing on 1st of september and iv spent 500 quid on a 3-1/2 magnum auto and may mates loading 60odd grams AAA THAT SHOULD KILL EM wood never dream about shooting a goose with clay cart and iv never bin before but WAT DO I NO ?

 

60 odd grams of what? there aint enough room in the case for steel, there is just enough room for lead. tungsten would be my next guess, but that is one expensive shell. especially in the lead AAA shotsize.

 

be sensible, shooting AAA in the air.... !

[al4x]

actually 7.5's is probably very sporting but depends on the view of sporting if its a chance to escape then yes they stand far more chance. I didn't actually say it was a good thing to use, I said it would work on low ducks.

 

As for the rifle sat stationary in a vehicle rifle on wing mirror firmly held safety on, lamper in passenger seat and large hill in front you'd be hard pressed to shoot anyone.

 

Are AAA's a good choice on geese? Surely at range the pattern would be pants, I wouldn't know not shot many and they've all been with 6's

[swiss.tony]

Rifle on ducks not sporting? damn right it isn't, but then you advocate the use of 7.5s in steel and that isn't either.

 

How would it have been impossible to shoot someone? did you absolutely know that there wasn't anyone within 2 miles in any direction? Has your rifle got a SPECIAL safety catch that absolutely cannot fail ever?

 

And if you are refering to me when you say some don't shoot much you have never been so wrong about anything in your life.

 

And Swiss tony,

 

Sorry mate you have wasted your cash, you really should listen to these armchair experts who claim to be wildfowling experts (Who live in a landlocked county). All you need is a beretta o/u and a handful of clay cartridges to fill your boots. :blink: :huh:

 

Sorry for the sarcasm, you have done the right thing and got the correct gun and ammo for your trip, I sincerely hope you enjoy it and get a few.

Im sure i will they carn"t be that hard to hit............ MC plus your right 100% .All this rubbish on a public forum just add s fuel to the fire we should stick together and all us lot do is fall out between are selves .

[MC]

actually 7.5's is probably very sporting but depends on the view of sporting if its a chance to escape then yes they stand far more chance. I didn't actually say it was a good thing to use, I said it would work on low ducks.

 

As for the rifle sat stationary in a vehicle rifle on wing mirror firmly held safety on, lamper in passenger seat and large hill in front you'd be hard pressed to shoot anyone.

 

Are AAA's a good choice on geese? Surely at range the pattern would be pants, I wouldn't know not shot many and they've all been with 6's

 

 

AAA's wouldn't be my first choice although I know people who do use them and I have in the past. I will use 1 3/8oz loads of BBs or 2's for geese and 4's for duck regardless of where I am shooting. I see know reason on going on a flight and ******* around with cartridges that are only any use if the birds are on the end of your barrel.

Steel holds a much better pattern than lead so AAAs would be OK at range.

 

You haven't shot a goose lately with 6's, unless you have been murdering flightless canadas on golf courses, and even then 6's ain't enough in steel.

 

I really would give up now if I were you as you aren't doing yourself any favours at all.

 

As for your rifle, it wasn't really in the situation we were discussing last week was it?

[swiss.tony]

60 odd grams of what? there aint enough room in the case for steel, there is just enough room for lead. tungsten would be my next guess, but that is one expensive shell. especially in the lead AAA shotsize.

 

be sensible, shooting AAA in the air.... !

may be im a bit wrong as im not loading them COOKOFF13 all i no is my mates bin gooseing 20 years and thats wat they use and iv sin photos when they shot 155 in a week so they must be ok its my first trip with them and iv bought every thing they told me to so should be fun ....swiss

[Guest cookoff013]

@swiss t

i cant seem to get 2oz of steel in a 3.5 " even rollcrimping.

there is only lead and tungsten super type shot that could fill a 3.5" with that weight.

 

1.25oz load of steel is big. 1,3/8 and 1,5/8 are the biggest loads i`ve ever heard of.

60grams is just shy of 2oz. if you had said 10 gauge, i would believe you. seriously.

but that doesnt fit with the 12gauge. 3.5"mag or not.

 

because 155 were shot in a week, it must mean the shells were ok and LEGAL.

 

what were the loading for the shells? ask your friend. because 1oz AAs will fill a 3" case.

let alone have any room for powder.

i`d like the recipe ! really i do.

[swiss.tony]

@swiss t

i cant seem to get 2oz of steel in a 3.5 " even rollcrimping.

there is only lead and tungsten super type shot that could fill a 3.5" with that weight.

 

1.25oz load of steel is big. 1,3/8 and 1,5/8 are the biggest loads i`ve ever heard of.

60grams is just shy of 2oz. if you had said 10 gauge, i would believe you. seriously.

but that doesnt fit with the 12gauge. 3.5"mag or not.

 

because 155 were shot in a week, it must mean the shells were ok and LEGAL.

 

what were the loading for the shells? ask your friend. because 1oz AAs will fill a 3" case.

let alone have any room for powder.

i`d like the recipe ! really i do.

ILL find out 100% wat he use cause i dont really no 100% all i no is they kill em and kick like muel be in touch soon ....swiss

[Guest cookoff013]

and a slightly different note,

AAA is a lead shotsize, steel doesnt have any A letters in their shotsize

steel is F and Ts.

 

i sure hope you had a brain **** and are shooting steel.

because shooting lead is wrong. (at wildfowl.)

[poontang]

and a slightly different note,

AAA is a lead shotsize, steel doesnt have any A letters in their shotsize

steel is F and Ts.

 

i sure hope you had a brain **** and are shooting steel.

because shooting lead is wrong. (at wildfowl.)

 

He's going to Annan in Scotland.

 

Still ok to use lead on wildfowl as long as not over wetlands. :look:

[Guest cookoff013]

in that case lead BBs 42gram should be plenty then.

[swiss.tony]

in that case lead BBs 42gram should be plenty then.

RIGHT see if this is ok for you 3 1/2 inch 43 gain aliance steel powder , oz and 3/8 steel shot 4.5 mm steel in a 3/12 cheddite case hows that sound

[Guest cookoff013]

you actually could go to 45grains of alliant steel. thats for 12000psi and 1500-1550fps.

there is quite a few alliant steel / alliant 381 recipes going around. steel shot works better with high speed.

however if you were soley after canadas, and had the right knowlege, you could buy some tungsten shot.

it is better than lead, shoots further, retains more energy, patterns tight.

 

undoubtly better than steel and lead.

 

ideal for waterfowl.

Edited August 5, 2010 by cookoff013

[anser2]

AAA in lead will kill geese , but the pattern is mighty thin. 30 Years ago I did some testing with "AAA" lead with old Homeloader from the Shooting Times and found they patterened best with I\c chokes and were very bad with full choke. We shot on the pattern plate and at real birds. However you will kill a lot more geese and wound a lot fewer using no 3 or no1 shot.

Edited August 5, 2010 by anser2

[henry d]

..... .Im going to ANNAN........ mates loading 60odd grams AAA THAT SHOULD KILL EM......

 

I presume you are shooting inland and not on the foreshore ??

[motty]

Quite right sir,

 

You DO NOT CARE and that is where the problem lies.

 

How did I know you would start banging on about foreshore fowlers? is it because you have been backed into a corner and you are wrong? Also how do you know of these 100+ yards shots if you do not go to the marsh? Is is because your "mates" tell you about it?

 

You certainly do NOT show any respect to your quarry because if you did you would stop this pretence that 7.5s are suitable for duck and grow a pair of balls.

 

But then again it is the summer holidays from school and we do have to make allowances for the influx of stupidity.

 

When did i say that i don't go to the marsh?! You are really starting to get on my tits! I HAVE witnessed several so called wildfowlers banging away at pinks three gunshots high.

I can't really understand why you are getting your knickers in such a twist over me saying that i've killed a few close range duck with 7 1/2 steel. I've not used them a lot - like i keep stating, and they are far from being my load of choice. For duck of any real range, i will normally use anything from 34 - 42 gm 3's or 4's. Is that ok by you? The only point which i was making which you still fail to get, is that 28gm 7 1/2 steel kill close range ducks. Rich G killed enough pigeons using them, and ducks are not so different, are they?

Oh, by the way, for pinks i use 1 3/4 oz rem wingmaster or 2 oz tungsten in 1s or 2s out to about 50 yards. AAA for geese except for close range would be a **** load.

Edited August 8, 2010 by motty

[MC]

When did i say that i don't go to the marsh?! You are really starting to get on my tits! I HAVE witnessed several so called wildfowlers banging away at pinks three gunshots high.

I can't really understand why you are getting your knickers in such a twist over me saying that i've killed a few close range duck with 7 1/2 steel. I've not used them a lot - like i keep stating, and they are far from being my load of choice. For duck of any real range, i will normally use anything from 34 - 42 gm 3's or 4's. Is that ok by you? The only point which i was making which you still fail to get, is that 28gm 7 1/2 steel kill close range ducks. Rich G killed enough pigeons using them, and ducks are not so different, are they?

Oh, by the way, for pinks i use 1 3/4 oz rem wingmaster or 2 oz tungsten in 1s or 2s out to about 50 yards. AAA for geese except for close range would be a **** load.

 

 

Good,

 

I am glad I am getting on your tits, as you put it. You are completely irresponsible posting on here that you have even fired a shotload of steel 7.5s at ducks. I really fail to see how anyone who calls them self a widfowler would even consider loading a gun with an inferior clay load to shoot a duck.

 

And to claim that they aren't much different to a pigeon is completely astounding. It really goes to shot that you haven't shot many of either and you certainly have never plucked either, otherwise you would know the difference straightaway.

[motty]

Good,

 

I am glad I am getting on your tits, as you put it. You are completely irresponsible posting on here that you have even fired a shotload of steel 7.5s at ducks. I really fail to see how anyone who calls them self a widfowler would even consider loading a gun with an inferior clay load to shoot a duck.

 

And to claim that they aren't much different to a pigeon is completely astounding. It really goes to shot that you haven't shot many of either and you certainly have never plucked either, otherwise you would know the difference straightaway.

 

I haven't shot many of either? Well i know of plenty of people who shoot more, but i am getting over 2000 pigeons a year- hardly not many. I don't shoot that many ducks- possibly around 40 a season, and they all end up in my freezer.

[MC]

I haven't shot many of either? Well i know of plenty of people who shoot more, but i am getting over 2000 pigeons a year- hardly not many. I don't shoot that many ducks- possibly around 40 a season, and they all end up in my freezer.

 

 

Well I would have thought with all that experience you would know better than to recomend an inferior load to shoot them with, but then again.

[tignme]

Motty,Im with you ,Iv shot thousands of woodies in forty years of shooting and the past 30 of them using the cheapest trap load i can get .I bought 400 all sports MIRAGE on sunday 28 7,5s and shot with mate using 32 6s ,we both shot same hide and killed out to 40 yds,(hide to fence 45yds) and no difference in kills or performance,I will regurally use SKEET 9s on woodies in 1/2 choke and no meat damage. Ducks ,I have used 7.5s lead when legal) and 7.5s steel at ponds and splashs especially at teal ponds. Woodies tally fri eve 2hrs,7.5s 27,sat eve 3 hrs 7.5s 22,mon eve 7.5s and 32s by mate 23 birds. MC spit the dummy out. Because your ole grandaddy says use big loads does not mean its gospel. Have a nice day

[andrewluke]

Motty,Im with you ,Iv shot thousands of woodies in forty years of shooting and the past 30 of them using the cheapest trap load i can get .I bought 400 all sports MIRAGE on sunday 28 7,5s and shot with mate using 32 6s ,we both shot same hide and killed out to 40 yds,(hide to fence 45yds) and no difference in kills or performance,I will regurally use SKEET 9s on woodies in 1/2 choke and no meat damage. Ducks ,I have used 7.5s lead when legal) and 7.5s steel at ponds and splashs especially at teal ponds. Woodies tally fri eve 2hrs,7.5s 27,sat eve 3 hrs 7.5s 22,mon eve 7.5s and 32s by mate 23 birds. MC spit the dummy out. Because your ole grandaddy says use big loads does not mean its gospel. Have a nice day

 

thousands of pigeons using the cheapest cartridges!,i take it that all you shot at were either clean kills or totally missed and nothing inbetween,skeet 9s on woodies and no meat damage,all head shot i take it :blink: ,

there's only a couple of quid difference between good and bad cartridges so make the right decision and buy suitable cartridges,

 

andrew

[MC]

Motty,Im with you ,Iv shot thousands of woodies in forty years of shooting and the past 30 of them using the cheapest trap load i can get .I bought 400 all sports MIRAGE on sunday 28 7,5s and shot with mate using 32 6s ,we both shot same hide and killed out to 40 yds,(hide to fence 45yds) and no difference in kills or performance,I will regurally use SKEET 9s on woodies in 1/2 choke and no meat damage. Ducks ,I have used 7.5s lead when legal) and 7.5s steel at ponds and splashs especially at teal ponds. Woodies tally fri eve 2hrs,7.5s 27,sat eve 3 hrs 7.5s 22,mon eve 7.5s and 32s by mate 23 birds. MC spit the dummy out. Because your ole grandaddy says use big loads does not mean its gospel. Have a nice day

 

 

Nothing to do with spitting the dummy, BUT I really have heard everything now. 9's for woodpigeons? **** OFF you really are taking the ****.

 

Still if it works for you then carry on, why should I give a **** if you give shooters a bad name?

[motty]

Nothing to do with spitting the dummy, BUT I really have heard everything now. 9's for woodpigeons? **** OFF you really are taking the ****.

 

Still if it works for you then carry on, why should I give a **** if you give shooters a bad name?

 

I have used a few 9's on pigeon to get rid of them. You may not like people using them, but i can't grasp why killing woodies with a certain load can give shooters a bad name. If people don't like birds being killed, surely it matters not to them what load is used in doing so.

 

When did i recommend using 7 1/2 steel for duck? I'll say it once more just so you might understand. All i said was that IT IS POSSIBLE TO SHOOT FAIRLY CLOSE RANGE DUCK WITH 7 1/2 SHOT>

Edited August 10, 2010 by motty