kenelmh Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Hi, I've just got myself a Baikal o/u to crack some clays with as I'm justing getting into the sport properly. I went out today and blooming hell, that thing kicks! Ive shot before with o/u's and semi autos at various points but have never felt such a kick. My question is, is this normal for a Baikal? I'm using Eley 28gms 67mm carts similar to what I've used in other guns. Cany anyone be of any help as my scores are rubbish with this gun and was wondering if the recoil might be to blame? Kenelm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Hi, I've just got myself a Baikal o/u to crack some clays with as I'm justing getting into the sport properly. I went out today and blooming hell, that thing kicks! Ive shot before with o/u's and semi autos at various points but have never felt such a kick. My question is, is this normal for a Baikal? I'm using Eley 28gms 67mm carts similar to what I've used in other guns. Cany anyone be of any help as my scores are rubbish with this gun and was wondering if the recoil might be to blame? Kenelm My best bet is it doesn't fit you! Mine has a low comb so i lift my head off the stock (not good) I have one and it beats be up big time, i can put 300 very kicky cartridges through my main gun no problem in a day, i wouldn't want to put more than 10 through the Baikal. I would have a session with a coach and get it fitted, most adjustments can be done cheaply with comb raisers, butt pads etc. They are a cracking budget gun if they fit you. Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 have you got a bruise? could be poor fit, get the fit checked by a good gunsmith/coach and perhaps have a recoil pad fitted...I would get the fit checked first then if its way off look to get a better fitting gun, a lesson would be a good idea too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Where abouts are you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenelmh Posted September 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Where abouts are you ? Hi, Thanks for all the advice. Might well be fit. I'm in Wimborne, Dorset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenelmh Posted September 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 have you got a bruise? could be poor fit, get the fit checked by a good gunsmith/coach and perhaps have a recoil pad fitted...I would get the fit checked first then if its way off look to get a better fitting gun, a lesson would be a good idea too.. Just checked. Yep, I've got a bruise! Never ever had that on any other gun. Lesson on the way I think to check fit and technique. I'm also using it left handed as am left eye dominent (only has a slight rh cast). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 You also "get what you pay for" and its really not worth scrimping on a clay gun, youll only end up paying out again and possibly not wanting to do clays anymore which would be a shame, baikels are an industrial game gun/rough that were never designed for use on clays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMcC Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 You also "get what you pay for" and its really not worth scrimping on a clay gun, youll only end up paying out again and possibly not wanting to do clays anymore which would be a shame, baikels are an industrial game gun/rough that were never designed for use on clays If the 'Russian' Government didn't subsidise the sale of Baikels in this country the cost would be a lot more than most entry level Italian/Spanish guns. Baikel guns in some of the other, now EU, countries pay a lot more for them than we do. There are also some specialised Baikel guns that are very expensive indeed so don't write off Baikels based on their price. There are plenty of more expensive guns that do not fit until steps are taken to correct them. I agree a Baikel is a heavy gun and built to last, so really the weight should help absorb some of the recoil if mounted properly anyway. I knew a chap back in the eighties that did a lot of pigeon shooting all year round using a Baikel over and under. His father used it before him too. Until it was sent for a servicing (by me) he did not realise how worn it was as it was still going strong after thousands of cartridges without problems. When it was serviced it was noticed the strikers and springs were weak and the hinge pins were worn. It was suggested that it was near the end of it's safe working life so it was taken in as part exchange for another Baikel. When we tried to work out how many cartridges had gone through it during it's lifetime we could only be sure of his usage and that was around a thousand a month for the ten years I was shooting with him and that was on crop protection, mainly pigeons and Rabbits, his fathers usage was probably not as much because he had a 'day time job'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 I have heard of people having headspace problems with Baikals, which can cause very heavy kicking (anyone who owns a Greener GP will know what I mean ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Like Elvis said I suspect they are built mainly for game? I did lessons with one and found it a bit of a beast and I put that down to its light weight compared to the others. I now use a Baikal sbs which is even more fun but I would rarely be putting more than 10 through it at a time . I like Baikals myself but do not often venture to the clay grounds . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 gun fit would be my guess, I've used a coachs very expensive browning, which kicked the ***** out of me, had the same happen with a 20b beretta, yet with heavy loads out of others, I barely felt a thing (by comparison) I'd get some help, it's what I'll end up doing (when my ticket comes through) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorpeet Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 (edited) I had a similar problem with mine. The stock is a little on the short side so I was getting a good thump as it wasn't snug into my shoulder. I was also getting a bruise on the finger from the trigger guard. All cured for £6 with a slip on rubber recoil pad. It added about 20mm and fixed all the problems. as has been said they're great guns. Edited September 12, 2010 by poorpeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 As is said, "every little helps", in this case to make things worse. Added to what's already been said, how much choke is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 (edited) Just for the record, i dont dislike baikels,I own one and about to own 2....but...they are not built for clay shooting, they are built for proper farm and game use, are well built and industrial, they kick like a mule regardless of fit and will go on forever. ansd IF you wish to become permanently DISABLED use BAIKEL carts in a BAIKEL gun!!! :look: :look: Edited September 12, 2010 by Evil Elvis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 (edited) Short stock, wrong cast, thin combe maybe a little high as well. Result.... a nasty bruise. Edited September 12, 2010 by COACH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenelmh Posted September 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 As is said, "every little helps", in this case to make things worse. Added to what's already been said, how much choke is there? Worse? The choke is 1/8 an 3/8 on seperate triggers. Yes yes, I know it's a game gun really and the chokes say that. Budget dictated but was very keen to not put off getting into the sport for any more years! Damn recesson! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 You also "get what you pay for" and its really not worth scrimping on a clay gun, youll only end up paying out again and possibly not wanting to do clays anymore which would be a shame, baikels are an industrial game gun/rough that were never designed for use on clays And yet at our club the two Baikal o/u club guns were very popular and led to quite a few people buying them because they got on with them so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 I have heard of people having headspace problems with Baikals, which can cause very heavy kicking (anyone who owns a Greener GP will know what I mean ). check the headspace. ! - the manufacturing tollerances might let this one slip through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Worse? The choke is 1/8 an 3/8 on seperate triggers. Yes yes, I know it's a game gun really and the chokes say that. Budget dictated but was very keen to not put off getting into the sport for any more years! Damn recesson! Yep, worse. Shorter sharply tapered chamber cones and choke cones particularly with a fair degree of choke can increase perceived recoil. Should be OK with what you have and there's nowt wrong with what you have for game or general clay shooting; for the latter, you may just want to drop a shot size to fill the pattern. Suffice to say, my possible cause is eliminated. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Just checked. Yep, I've got a bruise! Never ever had that on any other gun. Lesson on the way I think to check fit and technique. I'm also using it left handed as am left eye dominent (only has a slight rh cast). Guns that fit properly will make it easier for you to mount them properly and avoid bruising. I am a left hand/left eye shooter with only a small cast requirement, such that frequently a straight stocked gun will fit me better than an out of the box left handed gun. I have had a couple of guns altered to fit me and the cost has been minimal compared to the cost of the guns themselves. If your available cash for shooting is restricted, try and find a local gunsmith rather than via a shooting ground ( who will probably want to charge you for a gun fitting lesson with a trygun )or gunshop(who will sub contract out the work for a percentage ). The gunsmith will be able to assess the cast/drop you require almost as well as a coach with a try-gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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