Recommendations .22LR and semi-auto shotgun

[rtaylor]

Hi

Hopefully I will soon be in the market for a .22LR bolt action and a semi-auto, shotgun, with the intention of it being a multi-shot F.A.C.

Could anyone recommend me any decent models. I don't want to pay a huge amount (second hand prices) as they will be work guns.

Also am I right in thinking I will want to get the .22's barrel cut down to about 14 inches?

 

Cheers

[Paddy Galore!]

Hi chap,

if they're only rough guns then plumb for a cz 22, for a semi shotgun then go quality and get a beretta, one of the most reliable on the market.

[the running man]

yes well,you get what you pay for mate,u want a semi that wont jam ure talkin £800 plus i reckon,benelli is my make of choice,but a good beretta is also a good chice, young gram71 is right with the cz,worth every penny.

[steyrman]

Hi chap,

if they're only rough guns then plumb for a cz 22, for a semi shotgun then go quality and get a beretta, one of the most reliable on the market.

 

 

 

Same as that

[Paddy Galore!]

Speaking from experience don't go benelli, beretta's better, a cheap 303 m/c will set you back around £400, damn near unbreakable and cycle virtually anything regardless of cartridge length, benellis tend to be more fussy. A second hand urika synthetic went for 625 in a local rfd last month.

[Elby]

Hi

Hopefully I will soon be in the market for a .22LR bolt action and a semi-auto, shotgun, with the intention of it being a multi-shot F.A.C.

Could anyone recommend me any decent models. I don't want to pay a huge amount (second hand prices) as they will be work guns.

Also am I right in thinking I will want to get the .22's barrel cut down to about 14 inches?

Cheers

What makes you say that?

[Paddy Galore!]

What makes you say that?

That's the optimum length for a 22lr barrel (apparently) all the powder's burnt by the time the bullet has passed 14" down the barrel.

[Elby]

That's the optimum length for a 22lr barrel (apparently) all the powder's burnt by the time the bullet has passed 14" down the barrel.

Yes but a length of barrel is designed to have so many twists of rifleing, start cutting down the barrel and you'll lose acuracy surely

[Oxon88]

Really wouldn't mess with the barrel length, just get a cz452, great rifle out the box, and reasonably priced.

[Paddy Galore!]

Really wouldn't mess with the barrel length, just get a cz452, great rifle out the box, and reasonably priced.

they do a 16" stubby barrel too.

[jcbruno]

i own 2 cz's and 2 annies and can honestly say the cz is almolst as good for a good bit less

[rtaylor]

Yes but a length of barrel is designed to have so many twists of rifleing, start cutting down the barrel and you'll lose acuracy surely

 

I was told the bullet has reached its optimum power/accuracy and therefore anymore barrel would just be adding friction i.e. slowing it down.

Is the Beretta 3" or 2 3/4" chamber, I wouldn't mind having 3" capabilities for the occasional geese.

Does anyone have any opinions of Fabarms and Franchi semi-autos? I was looking at a few on guntrader and they seem pretty smart from the outside.

Cheers

[sg1]

That's the optimum length for a 22lr barrel (apparently) all the powder's burnt by the time the bullet has passed 14" down the barrel.

That's what length mine is and I use it in L.S.R comps with good results:-

 

 

Can't moan at the results

 

ATVB

 

sg1

[peek-at]

Again you cant go past the CZ452 for accuracy with value for money

 

I have a 16" barrel with SAK mod fitted and it is as short as you need. I cant see any point going to the expense of having it shortened. (but thats just me)

 

cheers

 

shaun

[ellebarto]

I was told the bullet has reached its optimum power/accuracy and therefore anymore barrel would just be adding friction i.e. slowing it down.

Is the Beretta 3" or 2 3/4" chamber, I wouldn't mind having 3" capabilities for the occasional geese.

Does anyone have any opinions of Fabarms and Franchi semi-autos? I was looking at a few on guntrader and they seem pretty smart from the outside.

Cheers

 

I've had a Franchi. Many of them use the Benelli mechanism and its always been my opinion that they are the most reliable auto. Beretta are also good but in my opinion not as good! Never knowne them to be ammo fussy to be honest!

 

Its like anything, you will get good and bad but as long as you avoid Hatsan you should be fine. Worth considering a pump though. If you can get on with remembering to rack it between shots you can get a lot of gun for a very low price! I mean its £500 brand new for a lot of top range names!

[Scully]

If they're tools,as you say,then synthetic CZ for the .22 and synthetic Beretta or Remi' 11-87 for the auto'.Once had a Franchi 712(actually was my nephews,but on my ticket)great gun.Franchi are owned by Beretta so quality was v.good.

[pigglet]

Yes but a length of barrel is designed to have so many twists of rifleing, start cutting down the barrel and you'll lose acuracy surely

 

 

The rifling is measured in number of inches for 1 full rotation ie 1in10 (the bullet will complete 1 revolution in 10") What matters is the correct twist rate to stabilise the bullet.

For hunting puproses, the optimum length of the barrel is that in which it takes for all the powder in the cartridge to be burnt.

When using subs thats around 12-14". After this the bullet is starting to slow down due to the drag in the barrel. 14" is a stadard .22LR factory carbine length.

Some shooters in the US report better results with 12".

 

http://www.kifaruforums.net/archive/index.php/t-6867.html

 

I've got a Franchi Fast. I thinks it's a great gun, especially for the money. GMK are the importers give them a ring to see if it's available inFAC spec if you're interested.

Edited September 28, 2010 by pigglet

[wildfowler.250]

I have a CZ .17 HMR and a sako finnfire....have to say I much rather the sako but there is nothing wrong with the CZ either! Depends what build quality you're after but if you can point it in the right place it makes no difference to the rabbits

[rtaylor]

Cheers for you're responses. I think a CZ is the way to go and that was probably going to be the choice anyway, just wanted to see what you guys thought.

Still not sure on the semi-auto but the right gun will come up. I have a pump at the moment, but its a seriously rough gun! I can't really be bothered with another one.

Cheers

[Field Shooter]

Cheers for you're responses. I think a CZ is the way to go and that was probably going to be the choice anyway, just wanted to see what you guys thought.

Still not sure on the semi-auto but the right gun will come up. I have a pump at the moment, but its a seriously rough gun! I can't really be bothered with another one.

Cheers

 

 

If you already have a pump and shoot well with it why not upgrade to a better one rather than go with a semi as there are plenty of good ones out there, just my opinion though.

Also have you considered anchutz for the 22lr as they do some good bolt actions as-well as semi's.