tony-devon Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 LOL just thought I would ask how long it is normally before your shoulder stops shouting OUCH and going funny colours LOL failing that, for just shooting clays, whats the best semi auto, ie with virtually no recoil off out in a bit for a go at clay shooting, my 3rd "attempt" only 50 this time so a bit easier, but really want to shoot the o/u instead of the semi, however the o/u seems to kick like a mule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 LOL just thought I would ask how long it is normally before your shoulder stops shouting OUCH and going funny colours LOL failing that, for just shooting clays, whats the best semi auto, ie with virtually no recoil off out in a bit for a go at clay shooting, my 3rd "attempt" only 50 this time so a bit easier, but really want to shoot the o/u instead of the semi, however the o/u seems to kick like a mule? It shouldn't do that, it suggests that either the gun doesn't fit you or your mount is poor. Get a lesson, a good coach will sort you out either way. It doesn't have to be a sport for masochists only! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 (edited) It could also be to do with the cartridges you are using. Even ones that look to be the same spec e.g. 28g 7.5s may have different burn characteristics and therefore different recoils. I used a load of Hull carts that were quick, but had half the recoil of a slower cart with a different burn rate but the same spec on the box. Try a few different ones and see which kicks least. Edited October 17, 2010 by Tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 As above, it sounds like a bad fitting gun, posture or the like. There will be plenty of people on here who have fired 300 shots in a day and not had a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 i had the same problem was a combination of bad stance(too used to rifle shooting) and bad gun fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Also - what cartridge load are you practising with? Certainly when you start out 21grm carts are the way to go - Eley Firsts would be ideal - the lighter load has significantly less recoil that say a 28 and most 24s. As has been posted already carts vary considerably in felt recoil - 24Grm Lyvale Express HVs still bruise me after 30 shots and and yet I've shot 500+ 24Grm Eley Blues on an all day 1 to 1 lesson with Carl Bloxham with no bruise (just a light marking of my shoulder). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 (edited) Could be lots of things, gun does not fit you, gun mount is bad, gun on arm not in shoulder pocket, head not on stock or head lifting on second shot, too heavy loads. Putting it right, try shooting gun up till you have more confidence, lighter loads, pull the gun right into your shoulder if the gun has nowhere to go it can't hurt you. My best advise though is to see a good coach, Carl Boxham, Brian Clegg, Steve Nutbeam. Most have websites and will visit you or you could travel to them, which ever it will be money well spent. from Auntie. Edited October 17, 2010 by 100milesaway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman2 Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 (edited) it also depends on your physical biuld, if you have broad shoulders it shouldnt be happening the butt should be in the shoulder easy enough, however if the top of your arm muscle is briused, its because thats where the gun is sitting, and it shouldnt be ofcourse, the reasons are given above by many posters. if you have narrow shoulders and just connot get away from top muscle briuse then i would think you need a proper fitting, narrower stock maybe im not sure, as i never encountered the problem, but i watched othes who were to skinny persevere. ps theres also the clothing issue of under layers bunching and putting the stock on top of the arm muscle. Edited October 17, 2010 by manxman2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 If you are 'narrow shouldered' (as I am) then the gun does tend to mount on your upper arm - the technique is to raise your elbow nearer the horizontal and that forms more of a 'cup' in your shoulder and you get a much better mount - works for me anyway! : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony-devon Posted October 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 this site is a font of knowledge and Im doing my best to try and absorb it the cartridges I am using are what were cheap at the shop kent 28g 7.5 fibrewad high velocity, I think from memory, box was blue with compeition written on it, cartidges are a funky see through case. I am not exactly the biggest person around and my shoulders could perhaps be described as a bit "boney" LOL hopefully have sorted a proper clay vest, and if needed will invest on a gel pad thing that someone showed me yesterday at the ground I have found a shooting school/ground, not too far from my work, so hoping that I can book a lesson or 2, £70 per hour GULP! and then aim to get out and do 100 sporting once a fortnight, when weather allows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony-devon Posted October 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 Hi, yes they arent far away, in fact the barrel guy is about a mile from me as I type this am going to have my barrels blacked by them, but was unaware that as a company they offered stock fit. coaching etc. waiting for a call from Dennis today in fact my stock as adjustable cheekpiece, up down, left right etc, but I havent a clue where it needs to be, all I do know is that unlike my old laurona that I had 2 years ago, my face doesnt feel like its done 7 rounds with Tyson , so thats an improvement at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 Well worth going to see them and getting fit sorted. before you go much further, also worth looking at 21g carts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 At the risk of high-jacking Tony's thread: HDAV, thanks for that website detail - never knew they were there, I need somewhere and they're just up the road. Cheers, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) this site is a font of knowledge and Im doing my best to try and absorb it the cartridges I am using are what were cheap at the shop kent 28g 7.5 fibrewad high velocity, I think from memory, box was blue with compeition written on it, cartidges are a funky see through case. I am not exactly the biggest person around and my shoulders could perhaps be described as a bit "boney" LOL hopefully have sorted a proper clay vest, and if needed will invest on a gel pad thing that someone showed me yesterday at the ground I have found a shooting school/ground, not too far from my work, so hoping that I can book a lesson or 2, £70 per hour GULP! and then aim to get out and do 100 sporting once a fortnight, when weather allows. Edited as it was meant to be a PM not a post. Doh!!! Err, you have a PM. Don't worry, I'll get the hang of it eventually. Edited October 18, 2010 by hillmouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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