vmax55 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 right then. thinking of joining a local rifle club and i would like to know the score on changing my licence. got to send my licence in to have a slot opened up on it so whilst its in do i ask for target shooting on it aswell or do i not need to bother for a open ticket?? or do i have to join the club first? also will this mean i can have dedicated target rifle etc. or can i just use my .22 .223 and hmr? could someone enlighten me ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 i thought zeroing on ranges is already on there? well it's on mine anyway but it won't hurt to have that added if it's not on already, if you want a calibre for specific target shooting then i think you'll have to join a club first mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 You don't need to alter it. You're already covered for shooting on ranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 The OPEN condition only applies to land. If you want to shoot any given rifle on a range for target shooting you need a target condition...and you need to be a member of an approved club. Assuming you already have zeroing as a condition you can go to the same range and zero but NOT target shoot. Yes..it' does seem daft and this is interpreted differently around the country, but if you already have a FAC and join a club then a target shooting condition should be straightforward! You will potentially be able to buy dedicated target and hunting rifles of the same calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax55 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 The OPEN condition only applies to land. If you want to shoot any given rifle on a range for target shooting you need a target condition...and you need to be a member of an approved club. Assuming you already have zeroing as a condition you can go to the same range and zero but NOT target shoot. Yes..it' does seem daft and this is interpreted differently around the country, but if you already have a FAC and join a club then a target shooting condition should be straightforward! You will potentially be able to buy dedicated target and hunting rifles of the same calibre. yep zeroing is on there but i did quite a bit of target shooting as a hobby in the army and wanted to enter some competitions again. so i guess as you said will just ask for target shooting aswell then. just wondered how it worked with the rifles i already own etc as they are all set up for foxing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 The OPEN condition only applies to land. If you want to shoot any given rifle on a range for target shooting you need a target condition...and you need to be a member of an approved club. Assuming you already have zeroing as a condition you can go to the same range and zero but NOT target shoot. Yes..it' does seem daft and this is interpreted differently around the country, but if you already have a FAC and join a club then a target shooting condition should be straightforward! You will potentially be able to buy dedicated target and hunting rifles of the same calibre. yep zeroing is on there but i did quite a bit of target shooting as a hobby in the army and wanted to enter some competitions again. so i guess as you said will just ask for target shooting aswell then. just wondered how it worked with the rifles i already own etc as they are all set up for foxing? All my rifles are conditioned and set up for field work, but I also have a Zeroing and Target condition for ALL my rifles. I do a fair bit of target work, but my serious competition days are over, I target shoot today for a bit of fun and to check my rifles/ammo. That works for me, any many people use field guns to perfectly good effect on the range, but if you wanted to get serious about target then you move into another world of rifles...and cost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 this question came up at my club the other day. seems that if you want to enter competitions then you need the target shooting on your cert as zeroing wont cover it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax55 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 oh right. heard somewhere that my .223 could only be used on a millitary range because of the velocity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 oh right. heard somewhere that my .223 could only be used on a millitary range because of the velocity? RUBBISH Some ranges impose conditions and that is down to them, there is no blanket ban on .223 on ranges! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax55 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 RUBBISH Some ranges impose conditions and that is down to them, there is no blanket ban on .223 on ranges! oh good good. that was an armed response plod who told me that. thanks for all the info guys its giving me something to think about for now. im off out lamping now for the rest of the night thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 (edited) Sorry.. Mucked up post hehe Edited October 19, 2010 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 Might be worth asking any club you intend to join if they have a probationary period as well,my mate has his FAC for land and intended to do the same as you but the club he approached still required a probation period from him before he could use his own gear, strange eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 this question came up at my club the other day. seems that if you want to enter competitions then you need the target shooting on your cert as zeroing wont cover it. I'm not tarring every target shooting club with the same brush here, but some of the ones I've been to had people running the place with their heads so far up their backsides with opinions and unheard laws that would get a ten pager going on here. I once got in a disagreement with the Vauxhall R&P Club as they insisted that .22LRs with a magazine were illegal They didn't believe me becuase I was thirteen and didn't have a FAC. I'll probably be completely wrong on the above quote now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted October 19, 2010 Report Share Posted October 19, 2010 I'm not tarring every target shooting club with the same brush here, but some of the ones I've been to had people running the place with their heads so far up their backsides with opinions and unheard laws that would get a ten pager going on here. I once got in a disagreement with the Vauxhall R&P Club as they insisted that .22LRs with a magazine were illegal They didn't believe me becuase I was thirteen and didn't have a FAC. I'll probably be completely wrong on the above quote now i should have clarified it a bit better! i think the opinion given was that there was no problem with zeroing but when you start shooting comps your name gets written down and that could put you in difficulty if you dont have target shooting on your cert. they werent being arsy about it just general chit chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Changing the conditions on your FAC is no bother anyway, if you join a club then you have a valid reason for doing so. Depending on the type of target shooting you are talking about then to be competitive you would need a dedicated rifle anyway. If you just want to plink away then what you have should be fine. Billy, The vauxhall club may have meant for their range it would not be legal, the indoor range that I shoot at is only approved for single shot .22LR fired from the prone position. any thing else would not be legal as the conditions for the range do not allow it, therefore it would not be an approved range. One of the other clubs in my area do not allow rifles with a magazine on their outdoor range. But that is more down to the noise issue and the neighbours I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) Billy, The vauxhall club may have meant for their range it would not be legal, the indoor range that I shoot at is only approved for single shot .22LR fired from the prone position. any thing else would not be legal as the conditions for the range do not allow it, therefore it would not be an approved range. One of the other clubs in my area do not allow rifles with a magazine on their outdoor range. But that is more down to the noise issue and the neighbours I believe. Unlike most of my memory, which is a sieve, I remember this conversation like it was yesterday... I pointed at a poster of a .22LR which had a magazine and nice scope. "That's what I'm going to buy when I get a FAC" I said. I was told you couldn't buy a rifle with a magazine and that they were illegal in the UK. Anyway, I left the club as I got really put off by an over-zealous man who was about 50 and liked to remind me every evening that no matter how many times I challenged him, he'd beat me. - Not something I really want to hear every Thursday evening. I understand what you're saying about the prone thing, but this really wasn't the case here. (Learned something new there, by the way ) Edited October 20, 2010 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunny Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) RUBBISH Some ranges impose conditions and that is down to them, there is no blanket ban on .223 on ranges! It all depends what the range is cleared for. The club I belong to has nine ranges of between 20yards and 100yards but what you can shoot on each is dictated by what it has offically been cleared for with regard to calibre and velocity. On the 25yard indoor we can shoot .357 gallery rifle and LBR but it is not allowed on one of the 25yd outdoor ones although the other one is cleared for this. Edited October 20, 2010 by Gunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 From what I remember, I can't shoot my 22-250 at Bisley as it's too quick or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 And you need a Shooter Certification card with your name on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 From what I remember, I can't shoot my 22-250 at Bisley as it's too quick or something Correct (in principle), it is within the calibre limits and it is within the energy limits but it is just above the velocity limit. If you load your own you can bring it within limits and therefore use 22-250 at Bisley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 To shoot targets at a range you must have the target shooting condition on your FAC. TB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 last year I was invited to shoot on the Police range with my pest control 22lr because i had zeroing problems , i only have vermin and zeroing on my Fac , it was ok to go the range and shoot , if i was to Join the club i could have another .22lr for target shooting and another .223 for target shooting because i have a new "Good Reason" hope this helps wb ps if your ever unsure contact your FLO , thats what he/she's there for , if you get it wrong the police firearms licensing will come down on you like a Ton of Bricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax55 Posted October 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 well thanks for all your efforts but i had an email this morning off the club secretary where i wish to join and he has said there is a massive waiting list of 2 years!!! He also said i wouldnt be allowed to use my hmr as its not cleared for that and my .223 would proberly be too fast as the range limit is 2150ft/sc and muzzle energy of 1492???. So then i will keep looking or even just turn the edge of one of my long fields into a 300yd range of my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Sounds to me like the club you applied to join is a Gallery Rifle club, cleared for up to gallery style rifles shooting pistol calibres such as 38spl 357 and 44mag etc..... Your HMR would be above the velocities sprcified by the club. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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