hatsan escort missfireing

[Shuck.]

Interesting reading, mine is throwing two cartridges out of the tube on the first shot, resulting in a jam. At the mo I'm using 65mm 28grm RC Professional Game. I usually use 67mm Prestige but the shop had run out. Why does it try to feed two as I'd like to remedy it. The gun has been stripped and cleaned, although not with wire wool.

 

When you say "throwing two cartridges out" do you mean it's firing one, then the other other unfired cartridge is falling to the ground, or do you mean it's firing the first, then ejecting, then firing again right after, double discharging??

[TJ91]

Interesting reading, mine is throwing two cartridges out of the tube on the first shot, resulting in a jam. At the mo I'm using 65mm 28grm RC Professional Game. I usually use 67mm Prestige but the shop had run out. Why does it try to feed two as I'd like to remedy it. The gun has been stripped and cleaned, although not with wire wool.

 

only use wire wool where you can see a build up of carbon, and only if you cant remove it with rag/cloth!

65mm cartridges are a problem with most escorts (my dads benelli super90 and al391 were the same)

[Bing-Bong]

When you say "throwing two cartridges out" do you mean it's firing one, then the other other unfired cartridge is falling to the ground, or do you mean it's firing the first, then ejecting, then firing again right after, double discharging??

 

No two come out of the magazine tube into the breech, i think you'd call it and jam against each other.

[Shuck.]

No two come out of the magazine tube into the breech, i think you'd call it and jam against each other.

 

TJ's right again then, its most likely the 65mm cartridge, although it is a finnicky gun it depends on the exact brand.. some 65mm's might be good - others bad.. if your internals look fine then it could just be a bad relationship with the ammunition you use.

[4eyes]

Stick to 70mm if you can. Thats what I find works reliably.

 

The other thing, and sorry if I'm stating the obvious here, is to make sure the second cartridge you put in to the mag is actualy all the way in to the mag. If its not it, when you let the loading gate (don't know the real term for it) back up after putting in the second cartidge, it slips out and goes underneath the gate. Then when you fire the cart already in the chamber the gun tries to load two cartridges. Just what your describing.

 

I only say this as I had this issue when I first got the gun. The someone showed me what I was doing worng. If after loading the magazine with the second cart, and you have let the gate return to its normal position, you can see the body of a catridge then you haave this issue; the cart is not in the mag properly.

 

Again, sorry if I'm statting the obvious but it was not too obvious to me when I first started using the semi.

 

ATB

[Bing-Bong]

Many thanks for that, it was pretty much as I thought. But with so many guns going back to edgar brothers, just wanted to check it wasn't a fault.

[dmason24]

Stick to 70mm if you can. Thats what I find works reliably.

 

The other thing, and sorry if I'm stating the obvious here, is to make sure the second cartridge you put in to the mag is actualy all the way in to the mag. If its not it, when you let the loading gate (don't know the real term for it) back up after putting in the second cartidge, it slips out and goes underneath the gate. Then when you fire the cart already in the chamber the gun tries to load two cartridges. Just what your describing.

 

I only say this as I had this issue when I first got the gun. The someone showed me what I was doing worng. If after loading the magazine with the second cart, and you have let the gate return to its normal position, you can see the body of a catridge then you haave this issue; the cart is not in the mag properly.

 

Again, sorry if I'm statting the obvious but it was not too obvious to me when I first started using the semi.

 

ATB

 

Its an excellent point and well made by 4eyes. My son was having these issues loading and I quickly noticed that this was the problem. Quality ammo and the correct load (recommend 28g) is also essential to help avoid stoppages and jams etc...

[kevinbird]

a friend of mine had the same problem with missfiring so he took it back to the shop. tried the following day and still the same problem. took it back for a second time and told them the problem was still there. after a week away (back to the manufacturers) he tried the gun again and he still had the same problem. when he had a misfire he gave me the cartridge, on closer look i noticed that the seating collar of the shell was very thin, i then went through some of his cartridges to see if i could see any that looked thin and low and behold i found several.i asked him to try the rest and all went off with no misfires. when we tried the others we had all misfires. the cartridges that he was using was from the local clay club and were typical cheepies. once he changed to a reputable cartridge the problem went away. the problem was that the shell sat to low on the ejectors and the firing pin couldnt reach for a full strike. the moral of this story is dont buy c**p

[The Duncan]

... the moral of this story is dont buy c**p

 

A good moral, kevinbird

[Harnser]

With out a doubt the most talked about gun on this forum and the most offered for sale gun on this forum . I think that it is patently clear that these guns suffer from a quality control problem . Many will swear to their reliabilty and others will say what a load of old tosh .

 

It really does seem to be a lucky dip as to wether you get a good one or an old nail . Value for money ? ,yes if you get a good one . If you get a bad one then you may as well put a hammer through it or use it as a hatstand . Or you could sell it on here .

 

Harnser .

Edited November 20, 2010 by Harnser

[Harnser]

That was helpful

Proberbly the best advice you will get reff. a hatson self loader .

 

Harnser .

[gilo17]

Im using a hatsan 20g with 30g 70mm gamebore pure gold, I have cleaned it and it still jams on the last shot (half way out the chamber) it is an older model so I have ordered a new spring for it just need the time to fit it as the old one looks like it has seen better days I have noticed that the o ring does tend to stick a little and some times there is a chink from the gas piston end like something is loose? ATB and thanks for the help.

[gilo17]

Im using a hatsan 20g with 30g 70mm gamebore pure gold, I have cleaned it and it still jams on the last shot (half way out the chamber) it is an older model so I have ordered a new spring for it just need the time to fit it as the old one looks like it has seen better days I have noticed that the o ring does tend to stick a little and some times there is a chink from the gas piston end like something is loose? ATB and thanks for the help.

All sorted fitted a new spring and o ring now cycles perfectly.

[marky123]

Hiya

Mine's jammed once after 50 cartridges.The cartridge fed out of the magazine,but did not trip the carrier release latch.It's second hand,but has not had a lot of use.My previous auto,a Remington 1100,had a new interceptor latch spring and still jammed occasionally.

Incidentally,does everybody know that if you apply the mag cut off and empty the chamber with the action locked back,you can instantly make ready the gun by turning off the cutoff switch(assuming there are cartridges in the mag)?They'll feed out the mag and release the action.

[snarepeg]

Have had the same symtons, light strike and misfires.

boiled down to a weak hammerspring.

got round it by fitting a fireing  pin spring inside the original, works a treat.

[Dekers]

The Hatsan Escort is notorious for problems.

Are you suggesting this used to work fine, if so, it either needs a good clean or new pin/spring, perhaps all the above!

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Holy thread resurrection Robin!

[Bamamike]

Where can I buy 3” 410 I have a escort as 410 just got it only found 2.5 inch is that why it won’t shoot in it says it is 3” chamber

[TIGHTCHOKE]

And again!