Frenchieboy Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I've just watched this weeks Countryfile where John Craven was talking about the Emperor of Exmoor. The program seemed to be "fairly" balanced (Still a bit "anti" but not as bad as could have been expected) They might have been better if they had interviewed someone from the BASC rather than just a professional stalker and used the phrase "Trophy Hunters" a little less. Douglas Batchelor from L.A.C.S. seemed to be a bit out of his depth and showed a bit of a totally biased side as well as a complete lack of understanding about deer management (Only to be expected) by saying that bullets were cheaper than fencing! One of the things that really jumped out at me was the "Professional Photographer" (Richard Austin) who they interviewed - I was led to believe that Johnny Kingdom took the much used photo of "The Emperor" (I could be wrong) but according to Richard Austin it was him that took the photo! Who the heck did take the photo and if it was in fact Richard Austin (Which in fact I am inclined to believe it was as I personally don't believe that Johnny Kingdom is capable of taking a photo that good)then why was Johnny Kingdon trying to take credit for the photo and seen selling it on the market? Has Johnny Kingdom been caught out again? For those of you that are interested here is the link - "The Emperor" section can be found to start at round about 6:10 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00wcdzq/Countryfile_21_11_2010/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) Mr Kingdon is based in the area I have a lot of stalking, he is well known locally as being an A1 ***** and pain in the *****,and I am sure he would sell his grandmother for publicity Edited November 23, 2010 by docholiday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 funnily enough Doc he comes across on telly like that as well. I saw the piece and they did mention trophy enough times for me to want to rip JC's tongue out but for the BBC it wasn't too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 It has all been said about JK already, self publicist IMO But he has never said he took the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I watched jc interview with a man who was dressed in camo with a rifle (why)he was not out stalking/did not shoot,so this was only to show the public what sort of person is out there with rifles to add weight to the guys comments,the guy could hardly communicate and just had to answer yes or no to questions,ie did not or could not enlarge. If I was general public,i would still be confused about this deer as john craven had all the facts in his report but lacked the punch in any statement that is now needed to clear the bad image now cast on all those wearing camo shooters. Johnny kingdom is just making a pound out of a chance to good to pass up,publicity in any form is good and he has just made the best of it as you or i would do,and just as the photographer who took the pic and named the deer 'emperor' has done. Weak and feeble factural report,another goal to the antis or should i say own goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted November 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 It has all been said about JK already, self publicist IMO But he has never said he took the picture. No problem - I did say in my original post that I was led to believe that JK had taken the photo but I could be wrong. Obviously I was wrong and happy to admit it! As for "Johnny kingdom is just making a pound out of a chance to good to pass up," it's a shame that he could not make a pound by being more honest and spend less time changing his story every time he was interviewed. It is through him that most of this bull **** came up about "The Emperor" and it is now through him that shooting has been showed in an even poorer light than it was before! Idiots like him want hanging up by the test icles (If he has any) as they do our sport no good whatsoever with their bulls**t and sensationalism! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I did watch it too.Im not being bias but did think Mr Batchelor talked utter rubbish!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I thought the BBC broadcast yet another disgraceful effort. Full of 'anti' agenda and slant and the careful editing of the vox pop section suited their editorial stance. Craven is as investigative as Kevin Turvey (for those of a similar age and comedic persuasion!) I emailed BASC and this is Simon's reply today; Dear Birdy, BASC went to great lengths to arrange an outing with Countryfile on this story, only to have our arranged stalk and spokesman dropped by the programme at the last minute. I have viewed the item on Countryfile, and John Craven's constant reference to trophy hunting was both misleading and unnecessary. However, he is in the business of sensationalising countryside matters to fit in with his new "investigative" role on the programme. I will be contacting Countryfile to make a complaint, but within the strict guidelines of the BBC the programme will pass as "balanced" because they did give airtime to important facts - the number of deer culled annually, the need for culling and management plans, the need for stalkers to prove their accuracy before going out with a guide, the fact that venison is sold and finally that only "a tiny proportion of the deer culled are taken for trophies". This last was mentioned at the end of the piece. Had it been at the beginning there would have been no story for Mr. Craven to investigate. Simon Clarke Head of Press Relations The British Association for Shooting and Conservation, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanks Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I live very close to where the Emperor was shot and for the record, I just want to clarify, it wasn't me. All joking aside, stag's that size are two-a-penny around here so I'm surprised there hasn't been an 'Emperor Lives' story yet, perhaps there's one in the pipeline. As for Mr Kingdom, he may come across to some as a bit of a pain in the behind but in the grand scheme of things he does a good thing through his TV programmes. If he gets just one fat, couch potato kid up off the sofa and away from the Xbox and out into the countryside looking for badgers/foxes/birds then that can only be a good thing. Hanks (I'll now batten down the hatches in anticipation of a dozen PW hob-nailed boot style replies calling me a Johnny-Lover and a Gaytard Kingdom-kisser). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Who really gives a **** when ALL the characters are a bunch of first class *****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Frenchie, all you have to be careful of is when you make your videos and post them on you tube that you don't sound too much like Johnny Kingdom as its a little spooky at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 I live very close to where the Emperor was shot and for the record, I just want to clarify, it wasn't me. All joking aside, stag's that size are two-a-penny around here so I'm surprised there hasn't been an 'Emperor Lives' story yet, perhaps there's one in the pipeline. Seems to be almost as many people who live near to the site as know people who were in the Iranian Embassy siege [joke] I would just like to say i don't live any where where it was shot, but I have spent a fair amount of time down that way over the years, I would agree that although huge it look uniquely massive - and doesn't Suffolk claim to have the biggest heads when it come to reds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Aghhhh totally agree with the 'Trophy Hunters' which was probably due to the editing team but he went on and on about them. LACS spokesman was as expected a joke. Interesting that they'll get an orgnaisation like LACS on but won't let BASC on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 It does make you wonder what they would say if they realised a lot of the trophy's were measured and the emperor being awarded a Gold medal would put the cherry on top of this little episode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 It must be like being in possession of famously nicked goods - what the hell do you do with the head now after all this fuss? If you were a taxidermist in the UK would you touch it? No good for me as my stairwell isn't wide enough for a rack like that, I will have to stick to muntjac and roe :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted November 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Frenchie, all you have to be careful of is when you make your videos and post them on you tube that you don't sound too much like Johnny Kingdom as its a little spooky at the moment Bl**dy hell, my secret and my true identity is out at last! Oh well, it's just as well that I have booked some elleqution elecution ellecoosion how to talk properly lessons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Bl**dy hell, my secret and my true identity is out at last! Oh well, it's just as well that I have booked some elleqution elecution ellecoosion how to talk properly lessons! Frenchie,just moove ta suffuk as nun a us utt cun speek propper english Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutieb Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 i might be being a bit blonde how do we know it was shot ? has anybody owned up or saw the carcass? could it be dead somwhere or in the next county? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 absolutely no evidence that this deer has been shot all hearsay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutieb Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 thank god for that i thought id been asleep for a fortnite and missed a crucial bit of evidence. i suppose its best to never let ANY facts get in the way of a story. i can see the headlines now ,BIG STAG PHOTOGRAPHED AND NOT SAW AGAIN !!!!! hold the presses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Frenchie,just moove ta suffuk as nun a us utt cun speek propper english Nahhh, Frenckie, just move to Essex and put on a few pounds and you'll blend in, in-no-time :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyjaimz Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Just watched the vid online, as already stated - LACS spokeman was a fool and the adsence of any alternative veiwpoint (BASC spokesman for example) is a pretty poor show. The biggest fallacy for me though was Craven matter of factly stating that Venison is sold for "around £2 per kilo" - whaaat! as if mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted November 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 absolutely no evidence that this deer has been shot all hearsay NO, NO, No, Not so Doc!!!!!!! JK (Thought to be me by some - See quote below) says that The Emperor is dead then it must be so!!!! al4x, on 23 November 2010 - 01:17 PM, said: Frenchie, all you have to be careful of is when you make your videos and post them on you tube that you don't sound too much like Johnny Kingdom as its a little spooky at the moment The Emperor was DEFINITELY SHOT once (or was it twice or three times according to JK, depending on what media report you go by and whether the pub was open when JK made the report?) in a field (Or was it on the Moors, or posibly on Exeter Town's Football Pitch - JK isn't too sure of that one at the moment but he will definitely clarify that "fact" when he has had another glass of scrumpy?) So there you have it - "The Emperor" must be dead, he was shot by a "Trophy Hunter"! Come on guys, think about it, would JK lie to you, especially on TV and in the National Press just for fame and notoriety (And of course payment)? Of course an local expert like him wouldnt lie to you! There is no need for evidence of the death, just the fact that there has been a 200% increase in the sales of Cranberry Sauce on JK's market stall since the reports of "The Emperors" demise by a "Trophy Hinter" started coming in. Even John Craven has clearly stated that it was a "Trophy Hunter" who shot "The Emperor"! (JK backed up by JC, what more proof do you need?) Now if that's not enough proof for you that "The Emperor" has been shot by a "Trophy Hunter" then what is? The fact that no-one has accepted responsibility for the shooting of The Emperor should not give any reason to believe that The Emperor has not been shot by a "Trophy Hunter" exactly as JK has reported! p.s. Can anyone tell me what a "Trophy Hunter" is, or is it just another "made up word" like "Yuppie" or "Chav" or "PW Forum Member" designed to cause fear and hatred in the minds of Joe Public? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 JK wants it to be dead so he can sell more 'emperor' photos for 20 quid a pop to the gullible public [allegedly] For legal reasons I would like to clarify JK in this case is Johnny Kingdom not the the Jamiroquai front man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted November 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 JK wants it to be dead so he can sell more 'emperor' photos for 20 quid a pop to the gullible public [allegedly] For legal reasons I would like to clarify JK in this case is Johnny Kingdom not the the Jamiroquai front man. I've got a spare photo of "The Emperor" mate, would you like to buy it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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