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In answer to the original question, if you have a requirement for a more powerful fox tool then apply for one.

 

I have to say, in my usual, to the point fashion, how the **** did you get a rimfire for fox to start with if you can't stop them, and if you can't deal with them with that, you would frighten me with an even more powerful tool!

 

:hmm::hmm:

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The Duncan

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In answer to the original question, if you have a requirement for a more powerful fox tool then apply for one.

 

I have to say, in my usual, to the point fashion, how the ***k did you get a rimfire for fox to start with if you can't stop them, and if you can't deal with them with that, you would frighten me with an even more powerful tool!

 

:hmm::hmm:

 

 

Perhaps a re-read of the full thread? :hmm:

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In answer to the original question, if you have a requirement for a more powerful fox tool then apply for one.

 

I have to say, in my usual, to the point fashion, how the ***k did you get a rimfire for fox to start with if you can't stop them, and if you can't deal with them with that, you would frighten me with an even more powerful tool!

 

:hmm::hmm:

 

 

Perhaps a re-read of the full thread? :hmm:

 

 

Point me in the direction, what did I miss? :good:

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"ok that was not what i expected . first things first i never take a shot if i think their is a chance of maiming only to kill . i use velociter cci whitch out at 1435 fps 9 out of ten get it done . i totaly respect this animal and only asked advise so that the one percent that i hit and dont kill are made less .sorry if the poast upset peaple "

 

It seems he does hit/kill the vast majority of his foxes pretty well, but he is looking for a more certain calibre for a humane kill.

The fact he is suggesting a slightly higher calibre, when his FAC issuing force reckon that .22lr is ok for shooting foxes, implies he has a sense of responsibility towards his quarry.

He might need marksmanship lessons but I think the intention is sound.

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i spend a great deal of time target shooting hours and hours in al weathers the farm were i shoot is a 1000 akr farn sorounded by forestry hense the problem even whith the greatest care and planning and time taken on the shot sometimes it goes rong peraps it would benerfit me to take lessons in marksmnship .ive been a shooter ever since i can remember airsoft mainly rabbits rats and the like .

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At the end of the day, even if he upgrades to a CF, there's still a chance of getting a runner. It's no quick fix.

 

Before anyone says that the shot should be positioned properly, the bullet could have a problem, could be a bullet from a different batch, firing a cold barrel/hot barrel that could alter where the bullet flies. (plenty of other variables)

 

You only need to be half an inch off between a stone dead fox and one that needs a second shot.

 

Any person that has a 100% clean kill rate with a CF has either not shot many, or is lying.

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"ok that was not what i expected . first things first i never take a shot if i think their is a chance of maiming only to kill . i use velociter cci whitch out at 1435 fps 9 out of ten get it done . i totaly respect this animal and only asked advise so that the one percent that i hit and dont kill are made less .sorry if the poast upset peaple "

 

It seems he does hit/kill the vast majority of his foxes pretty well, but he is looking for a more certain calibre for a humane kill.

The fact he is suggesting a slightly higher calibre, when his FAC issuing force reckon that .22lr is ok for shooting foxes, implies he has a sense of responsibility towards his quarry.

He might need marksmanship lessons but I think the intention is sound.

:good:

 

 

Yep, I missed that bit, as my response said I replied to the original question that made more unfavourable suggestions. :good:

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i spend a great deal of time target shooting hours and hours in al weathers the farm were i shoot is a 1000 akr farn sorounded by forestry hense the problem even whith the greatest care and planning and time taken on the shot sometimes it goes rong peraps it would benerfit me to take lessons in marksmnship .ive been a shooter ever since i can remember airsoft mainly rabbits rats and the like .

 

 

Range shooting has little to do with field work, except perhaps to zero the gun at a known distance.

 

If you want more than .22lr consider, .22WMR and the Hornet, both will give you more grunt and range, and good fox ammo available for both!

 

Obviously the next level of .22 CF to consider as well.

 

As already said by several, it doesn't matter what you have in your hands, nobody has a 100% stop rate over time!

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Personally I don't see a problem with rimfire on fox PROVIDED the shooter reins in his expectations. LR might be fine on a rabbit at 80yards but I wouldn't dream of shooting a fox at that range.

 

I'd also suggest dumping the Hi velocity and sticking with a hollow point. At the ranges you should be shooting fox, you don't need the speed, the greater bullet damage will do you more good than more speed.

 

If your licence is conditioned for fox with LR then I don't see a pressing need to change unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket, if so then look at .22-250, .223 etc or if Deer are a possibility go straight for a .243/Swede.

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Range shooting has little to do with field work, except perhaps to zero the gun at a known distance.

 

 

 

Or perhaps to get to know the capabilities of you and your rifle working together prior to taking the more ambitious shots on live quarry IN THE FIELD. Dekers you do come out with some silly, ill thought out, statements mate. :rolleyes:

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Or perhaps to get to know the capabilities of you and your rifle working together prior to taking the more ambitious shots on live quarry IN THE FIELD. Dekers you do come out with some silly, ill thought out, statements mate. :rolleyes:

 

:hmm::hmm:

 

Well, you must have expected a response.

 

And I seldom make a comment without background!

 

Nobody should take more ambitious shots at live quarry than at the range.

The range will simply tell you if you can put holes in paper at a given distance.

It takes no account of undulating land, dense woodland, darkness, country noises, distance perception, shooters live twitch, etc., etc.

 

I know of at least one EXCELLENT shot at the range who cannot shoot a bunny to save his life, the reason is simple, the bunny is alive!

 

Range shooting has little to do with Field work except to perhaps zero your gun at a known distance (and that distance will appear different in the field anyway).

 

ATB!

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:hmm::hmm:

 

Well, you must have expected a response.

 

And I seldom make a comment without background!

 

Nobody should take more ambitious shots at live quarry than at the range.

The range will simply tell you if you can put holes in paper at a given distance.

It takes no account of undulating land, dense woodland, darkness, country noises, distance perception, shooters live twitch, etc., etc.

 

I know of at least one EXCELLENT shot at the range who cannot shoot a bunny to save his life, the reason is simple, the bunny is alive!

 

Range shooting has little to do with Field work except to perhaps zero your gun at a known distance (and that distance will appear different in the field anyway).

 

 

ATB!

 

Keep it up Dekers mate. I think you must be the only forum member that believes what you say. You may profess to be a professional pest controller but I fail see how killing a bunch of wasps makes you a firearms expert. Have a nice day and Merry Christmas. :xmas:

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Keep it up Dekers mate. I think you must be the only forum member that believes what you say. You may profess to be a professional pest controller but I fail see how killing a bunch of wasps makes you a firearms expert. Have a nice day and Merry Christmas. :xmas:

 

 

If you believe shooting down a range equips you for field work you have a lot to learn!

 

Just which part of this did you struggle to understand?

 

Nobody should take more ambitious shots at live quarry than at the range.

The range will simply tell you if you can put holes in paper at a given distance.

It takes no account of undulating land, dense woodland, darkness, country noises, distance perception, shooters live twitch, etc., etc.

 

I know of at least one EXCELLENT shot at the range who cannot shoot a bunny to save his life, the reason is simple, the bunny is alive!

 

Range shooting has little to do with Field work except to perhaps zero your gun at a known distance (and that distance will appear different in the field anyway).

 

Merry Christmas!

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The Duncan

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thanks for all yor input have a great chrismas .lets hope your shooting is as sharp as your minde

Good on you Matt :D Have a great Christmas and a happy new year :yes:

 

 

In answer to posts regarding range shooting- I agree that it is massively different to shooting in the field, but if its done along similar lines to HFT or FT with differing ranges according to weapon used, then this practise can be invaluable.

Marksmanship CAN be improved away from the field.

 

All the best Gents :good:

 

Duncan

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Christ, no-one will dare ask anything if we treat people with such contempt.

 

Clearly there may be better tools for the job, but a .22 will kill a fox, dead.

 

The chap asked a question and upgrading to a centrefire seems like the obvious choice, especially as he has the need.

 

Hope the OP gains something from this thread of bitching.

 

Merry Christmas to all

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DaveK

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If you believe shooting down a range equips you for field work you have a lot to learn!

 

 

 

Merry Christmas!

 

BUT NOT FROM YOU. :no:

 

Happy New Year

 

Matt, you take the sensible bits on board and ignore the not so sensible, and have a good 2011's shooting.

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