Cocker eaten cooked bones

[FalconFN]

Our 6 month old cocker got into the bin this evening and managed to eat 5-6 cooked lamb ribs before we noticed. I've looked on the net and it seems pretty bad for them, is there anything I can do to stop any possible damage to her gut?

 

Any help or advice would be really appreciated.

[garyb]

Should be fine

 

Just keep an eye to ensure she is passing stool as per normal, and isn't off her food or colour.

[FalconFN]

Thanks for the fast reply. Good to hear.

[davecooper1]

Mate my springer scoffed some spare ribs by accident, and he was ok, so I wouldnt worry to much.

[apache]

Surprisingly sharp things can often pass through the gut. There is a risk of a sharp piece puncturing or blocking the intestine, and if she goes off colour, starts being sick etc get her to a vet ASAP.

[FalconFN]

Thanks for the advise. Much appreciated.

[Shropshire_Lad]

our springer got into the outhouse and got the Turky carcase, most of it gone before we found her tucking in! She did throw up some sharp bones that evening but been fine since, hope all goes ok for yours.

 

atvb Paul.

[EMT]

An retired vet once told me to feed them bread. It's meant to create a sort of barrier / packing for the sharp bones as they pass through the intestine.

[Andy75]

My Sprocker managed this not long ago - kept an eye on him and the only problem was a bone splinter that got jammed in his sphincter on evening walkies. Was great fun pulling that out his harris in the cold, in the dark, with a head torch and no gloves on made him whimper a bit, but he took off like a very happy rocket once it was out!

[WGD]

Was great fun pulling that out his harris in the cold, in the dark, with a head torch and no gloves on made him whimper a bit, but he took off like a very happy rocket once it was out!

 

wouldn't you??

[FalconFN]

Thanks for all the posts, after several knee shaking attempts to pass something yesterday, she finally let rip and and now seems fine (and 1/2 a pound lighter!).

[Mungler]

It's very difficult keeping our cocker out of the bin. We have tried bungee straps, gates etc.

 

Last time was about 4 weeks ago and she had a chicken carcass out of the bin and wasn't well for the days after - lethargic and funny poos, so that was £250 down the vets and antibiotics.

 

The irony of this thread is she's just done the bin again tonight and another chicken carcass, but I think we got there before she really got stuck in.

 

The amazing thing is the stealth - she used to tip the bin over but worked out that was like ringing an alarm bell for us. Now, she gently lifts the lid and manages to raid the bin silently, without tipping it over and manages to close the lid / keep it on so as to cover her tracks.

 

I dunno if it's just ours, Cockers in particular or the spaniel family but they are greedy as ****.

[activeviii]

Keep an eye, as already said. if starts to be sick, go off food or stops turning out then a visit is in order but with luck you'll be fine.

 

my 2 year old tried it a few times but was told good and proper. my 8 month old tried it as well but was also put in her place. i can put food on floor or in bin and they will not touch it unless wife or I say they can have it. neither will take food while working and will not take anything from any one else. i have put them this way as i dont want the dodgy people next door throwing a laced burger over the fence for them.

[Quist]

I think the whole cooked bones story is a myth perpetrated by the dog biscuit manufacturers.

Up until the end of the last war most dogs lived on table scraps.

Now suddenly after three quarters of a million years mans oldest companion can't manage a few bones?

I don't buy it.

Take a look at a factory reared chicken. Their bones are rubbery, barely able to support their weight.

Yet we are told that chicken bone splinters will puncture their gut.

Take a look on the shelves of the pet store. Cooked bones are their on sale for dogs. Not chicken but beef and pork. At a higher price than you'd pay for the whole joint raw at ASDA.

Why not chicken and turkey?

Give you dog bones from puppyhood and he will learn how to properly crunch them up and not swallow splinters.

BARF not Biscuits is the way to go

[FalconFN]

I agree with the BARF point and we do feed her raw meat, bones and the occasional egg plus a dry mix but when bones are cooked they apparently become brittle and can't be digested in the same way - Or so I've been led to believe. Either way she had stomach problems after eating cooked bones which she's never had eating raw.

 

Better safe than sorry (and out of pocket).

[apache]

I think the whole cooked bones story is a myth perpetrated by the dog biscuit manufacturers.

Up until the end of the last war most dogs lived on table scraps.

Now suddenly after three quarters of a million years mans oldest companion can't manage a few bones?

I don't buy it.

Take a look at a factory reared chicken. Their bones are rubbery, barely able to support their weight.

Yet we are told that chicken bone splinters will puncture their gut.

Take a look on the shelves of the pet store. Cooked bones are their on sale for dogs. Not chicken but beef and pork. At a higher price than you'd pay for the whole joint raw at ASDA.

Why not chicken and turkey?

Give you dog bones from puppyhood and he will learn how to properly crunch them up and not swallow splinters.

BARF not Biscuits is the way to go

That has to be one of the most miss-informed posts I have read on here in a very long time [and that is saying something].

 

I personally know of dogs dying from eating cooked bones, never from raw bones [i am a vet].

 

The 'bones' you buy in pet stores are often fired clay filled with a meaty centre.

 

BARF = Bones and RAW food! No evidence behind it, unbalanced but adequate food for your dog. So long as you are happy was it to catch salmonella or campylobacter and pass it on to your children. Best of luck with that.

 

You try snapping a raw bone and a cooked on and you'll see the difference.

[Quist]

That has to be one of the most miss-informed posts I have read on here in a very long time [and that is saying something].

 

I personally know of dogs dying from eating cooked bones, never from raw bones [i am a vet].

 

The 'bones' you buy in pet stores are often fired clay filled with a meaty centre.

 

BARF = Bones and RAW food! No evidence behind it, unbalanced but adequate food for your dog. So long as you are happy was it to catch salmonella or campylobacter and pass it on to your children. Best of luck with that.

 

You try snapping a raw bone and a cooked on and you'll see the difference.

 

If you are a vet as you claim to be, you will know that domestic dogs are pack animals sharing almost 99% the same genes as wolves. All sub-dominant wolves have to feed on are bones, fur and scraps. Its what their digestive systems are evolved to cope with.

Dogs too, there's no substantive difference between a modern dog's digestive system and its wolf ancestor.

How therefore can you claim that there's no evidence behind it? Isn't 50 Million years of evolution enough?

If there is a mis-informed post here it is yours.

But then Vets have a vested interest in selling special biscuit, non allergenic dog food in tins and a ton of other expensive pap, none of it what dogs would naturally eat which is probably why it makes them sick. Cheap carbohydrate, about as bad for dogs as it is for humans. Makes them fat, not fit.

My dog eats **** and grass when he needs to rebalance his gut flora and intestines and lives mostly off raw venison scraps, bones, and skin, loves the marrowbones best.

As for associated food spoilage organisms, a little exposure through life makes for a healthy immune system as you should well know.

Ordinary cooking does not make bones splinter in a different way and bones, cooked or raw are easily broken down by a dogs jaws and then digestive system.

Too much in proportion to the rest of its ration will make passing stool more difficult though.

The action of chewing bones scrapes tartar off teeth and you rarely have to brush a BARF dog.

The Bones you buy in Petsmart are Beef and sometimes Pork, sawn through and cooked to sterilise but definitely not clay.

A BARF fed dog's stool is nearly indistinguishable from a Wolf or Hyenas and releases calcium back into the environment.

A cereal fed dog's stool gives almost nothing of value back and there aren't really any specialist insects evolved to deal with it as there are with most animals feaces.

Its natural

[apache]

If you are a vet as you claim to be, you will know that domestic dogs are pack animals sharing almost 99% the same genes as wolves. All sub-dominant wolves have to feed on are bones, fur and scraps. Its what their digestive systems are evolved to cope with.

Dogs too, there's no substantive difference between a modern dog's digestive system and its wolf ancestor.

 

A dog is a very different creature to the wolf. The genetic freaks we have bred by making these 'pedigree' dogs has altered all sorts of things beyond all recognition. How many sharpei's would exist if released into the wild? Not many. There's not a lot of substantive difference between all mono-gastric's digestive system, would you like to chew on raw bones?

 

How therefore can you claim that there's no evidence behind it? Isn't 50 Million years of evolution enough?

 

Yes evolution = progress. Moving forwards not backwards. I have no desire to defecate in my garden but at one time our ancestors did.

 

But then Vets have a vested interest in selling special biscuit, non allergenic dog food in tins and a ton of other expensive pap, none of it what dogs would naturally eat which is probably why it makes them sick. Cheap carbohydrate, about as bad for dogs as it is for humans. Makes them fat, not fit.

 

Some vets do sell dog food. We only sell prescription food for specific purposes. Twenty years ago a cat with a diagnosis of kidney failure may live a few weeks/months. I personally know of cats that have lived 5 years plus as a result of specific prescription veterinary diets. That just didn't used to happen. There would be to much phosphorus in your BARF diet and the proteins would be long chain rather than short chain.

 

My dog eats **** and grass when he needs to rebalance his gut flora and intestines and lives mostly off raw venison scraps, bones, and skin, loves the marrowbones best.

 

Eating grass and vomiting does nothing to the bacterial population in the gut, fact. No bacteria [strictly very few] live in the stomach due to the low pH. I hope you worm your dog regularly with all the raw meat.

[apache]

Cont.....

 

 

As for associated food spoilage organisms, a little exposure through life makes for a healthy immune system as you should well know.

 

Some stimulation of the immune system is benificial, and keeping children too clean has been linked with an increase in auto-immune disease [where the body attacks itself]. Salmonella and Campylobacter are both common in chicken and can be passed onto humans, especially children, by the dog. I can promise you people die every year from these infections [the young and the old] and they are not to be scoffed at. Why do we make sure we cook chicken thoroughly?

 

Ordinary cooking does not make bones splinter in a different way and bones, cooked or raw are easily broken down by a dogs jaws and then digestive system.

 

Oh yes they do. Roast a pheasant, find one that's been hit by a car or mashed by shot. Strip the meat from a leg bone and snap them both. You will see how the fresh bone breaks like a wet stick, yet the cooked bone almost shatters. The shards are much sharper from the cooked bone. I have seen dogs die from people giving dogs chicken carcases and lamb bones from the Sunday dinner.

 

Its natural

 

As natural as dying at 30 like people used to do a few thousand years ago.

[FalconFN]

I'm sorry, but you said "There's not a lot of substantive difference between all mono-gastric's digestive system, would you like to chew on raw bones?". Firstly, the fondness for chewing raw bones has nothing to do with the digestives system and secondly, I don't like to chew cooked bones either.

 

A dog has a much lower Ph acid in it's gut, food passes through the digestive system much more quickly than it does in humans so dogs don't suffer from bacterial infections as readily as we do (as you said, very few bacteria live in the gut).

 

On a separate point, dogs jaws and teeth are 'designed' to crunch bone and not to work with soft pre-cooked stew, we however have been cooking meat to tenderise and sterilize the parts of the animal that we couldn't otherwise eat. In short dogs and humans are not the same.

 

I'm not having a go, we all have our own way of doing things and I agree with you that cooked bones are wrong but I think raw bones are right.

[baz]

 

 

I dunno if it's just ours, Cockers in particular or the spaniel family but they are greedy as ****.

 

Ours is just over 5 months old now and he would fight you to get in the Dustbin..... LOL's

[apache]

A dog has a much lower Ph acid in it's gut, food passes through the digestive system much more quickly than it does in humans so dogs don't suffer from bacterial infections as readily as we do (as you said, very few bacteria live in the gut).

The pH is very similar in dogs and people. Billions of bacteria live in the gut with a higher pH, it's just the stomach that is so acidic it doesn't really support bacterial growth/survival. If we had no bacteria in our guns we would be unable to digest our food. This is why antibiotics can sometimes give diarrhoea.

 

I am not saying you can't feed a dog on raw bones, and it will live. I just won't be swayed by the militant argument that it will cure all problems and the dog will live 100 years without ever needing a vet. I think a good quality commercial dog food is better, but that's just my opinion.

[FalconFN]

I just won't be swayed by the militant argument that it will cure all problems and the dog will live 100 years without ever needing a vet.

 

Neither will I! And I agree, a good quality feed will give your dog all that it needs but a good feed supplimented with bones is even better and your dog will love it too.

 

All the best.

[JBS]

Ours is just over 5 months old now and he would fight you to get in the Dustbin..... LOL's

 

Isn't it funny how different they all are, my cockers food and treat tin are in the kitchen in a floor level cupboard but she's never been in them... That I know of!!

 

My mates lab is a different story though, he licked a pan full of bubbling bolognaise clean while he sat watching telly, the only evidence was the splatter of spag bol up the back of the cooker!!

 

That dog must have an asbestos tongue!

[baz]

Isn't it funny how different they all are, my cockers food and treat tin are in the kitchen in a floor level cupboard but she's never been in them... That I know of!!

 

My mates lab is a different story though, he licked a pan full of bubbling bolognaise clean while he sat watching telly, the only evidence was the splatter of spag bol up the back of the cooker!!

 

That dog must have an asbestos tongue!

 

LOL's i can picture it now