barney 66 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Hi,might be on the lookout for a .17 hmr if the firearms officer clears my variation,like the look of the browning t bolt,but i would sooner something with a thumbhole stock does anybody know if they do one for it or what would you recommend with a Thumbhole stock and 16" barrel? Thanks for looking Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Hi,might be on the lookout for a .17 hmr if the firearms officer clears my variation,like the look of the browning t bolt,but i would sooner something with a thumbhole stock does anybody know if they do one for it or what would you recommend with a Thumbhole stock and 16" barrel? Thanks for looking Chris Got to be the CZ 455 .17HMR, this is mine with the Thumbhole Laminate and 16" Barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 ive got the t bolt and must say for 500 quid its a cracking rifle nice mag system and shoots brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Savage BTVS http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CFEQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shootingtimes.co.uk%2Fguns%2F147026%2FSavage_93R17_BTVS_17_HMR_rifle_review.html&ei=CS9zTaHdA4SWswbgr6GEDg&usg=AFQjCNFLZEGGRfBRCc8F8sOWIe4yhFdsgA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted March 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 ive got the t bolt and must say for 500 quid its a cracking rifle nice mag system and shoots brilliant Yes your right i thought the mag system and the bolt were god on the T bolt, but that cz and savage both look good rifles especialy as i fancy a thumbhole stock, Look forward to hearing anymore comments especialy from anyone who has a savage and can tell me about the magazine system that they say is so awkward,as for accuracy i guess there pretty much all the same from what i have read, Thanks for looking Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 If your funds can stretch a bit further, probably the best, out the box gun, would be the Anschutz 1517 http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunmart.net%2Fgun_review%2Fanschutz_1517db%2F&ei=NUhzTbvZAcnNswaslJmEDg&usg=AFQjCNFsLwWPNQVoQdSDhpNABA81B8gDqA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 barney 66 It is a free world and we all make our choices, sometimes they are right and other times we learn! There are lots of rifles out there and lots of manufacturers, aesthetics is without doubt important to our psychological shooting ability, but do not buy a rifle because it looks nice...consider all the other factors as well. For instance, the Savage and CZ mentioned above are monstrous lumps and weigh 7-7.5lb each, add a scope, mounts, moderator, sling, maybe a bipod and you are carrying around well over 10lb! The Anschutz weighs about 2lb LESS, that is a SIGNIFICANT difference, and the Browning is also "lightweight" in comparison. Some people like heavy guns, and that is fine of course, but consider the options carefully, a heavy barrel is not going to give you any advantage accuracy wise in the field! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurchers Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 i have the savage with thumbhole stock,stainless barrel and silver scopes and it is a cracking gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 barney 66 It is a free world and we all make our choices, sometimes they are right and other times we learn! There are lots of rifles out there and lots of manufacturers, aesthetics is without doubt important to our psychological shooting ability, but do not buy a rifle because it looks nice...consider all the other factors as well. For instance, the Savage and CZ mentioned above are monstrous lumps and weigh 7-7.5lb each, add a scope, mounts, moderator, sling, maybe a bipod and you are carrying around well over 10lb! The Anschutz weighs about 2lb LESS, that is a SIGNIFICANT difference, and the Browning is also "lightweight" in comparison. Some people like heavy guns, and that is fine of course, but consider the options carefully, a heavy barrel is not going to give you any advantage accuracy wise in the field! ATB! Its true we all have choices and we all have differant budgets. I have the CZ 452 varmint 16inch in .22lr and .17hmr and love them. A slightly heavier rifle is not a disadvantage as far as accuracy goes,most find them more accurate. I wouldnt call the CZ a heavy lump though, I carry mine miles and its got an ASE ultra mod which is nearly as heavy as the rifle If money was dropping off the trees there may have been a Anschutz in the cabinet in its place though, they are nice guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 My CZ 452 Style has a 22" barrel yet still weighs less than 6 lbs. It has a plastic stock and nickel plated action, so it's well suited to all-weather use. The long barrel makes good use of the HMR cartridge, which is all about velocity, and I'm hopeful that if anyone makes an HMR +P then the long barrel length will be able to utilise it. All for less than £400 brand new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 CZ 455, savage or Anshutz but tbh as an all round work horse the Cz would get my vote. Lovely looking rifle and a decent price. Depends how much funds you have available of course, but the CZ will do everything that you want it to do ATB Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant Feeder Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 I've never liked the look of laminated stocks but someone handed me the savage a few months ago and although I was sceptical the moment I raised the rifle to my shoulder I realised the attraction. It just seemed right, well balanced and didn't feel overly heavy, if I could afford one it would be a serious contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted March 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Thanks for all your advice,not to sure what funds will available yet,but if they will allow i shall look for the anschutz preferably 2nd hand although i bet nobody sells them on. Best thing i can do is wait for the slot on my ticket and put.a wanted add out and may sell my .22 to fund it, Thanks again Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksim Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Ive just got the CZ 455 in both .17HMR & 22LR just like silentkills photo. Cant go wrong for the money and they will do everything i need. £415 each brand new,cant go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) Its true we all have choices and we all have differant budgets. I have the CZ 452 varmint 16inch in .22lr and .17hmr and love them. A slightly heavier rifle is not a disadvantage as far as accuracy goes,most find them more accurate. I wouldnt call the CZ a heavy lump though, I carry mine miles and its got an ASE ultra mod which is nearly as heavy as the rifle If money was dropping off the trees there may have been a Anschutz in the cabinet in its place though, they are nice guns. Like I said, some prefer heavy guns, I don't, such is life. Lets be clear, I didn't say they were less accurate, I said they were a monstrous lump to carry around! As a matter of interest statements such as that highlighted above always intrigue me, on what basis and WHY would a field rimfire used for field work be more accurate in the field with a heavy barrel? I have never heard anyone say their heavy barrel is more accurate for general field work, why would it be and on what basis would anyone say that, how could it be measured and what is wrong with normal barrel accuracy, I have never heard of anyone changing their field tool to a heavy barrel because their light barrel isn't accurate! Some just like the feel of heavy tools and on that basis they may shoot them more accurately, some, like me, prefer light tools and shoot them very accurately. I will more than happily put up against anyone with a heavy barrel field rimfire (CZ or Savage as talked about here) and dispel this myth once and for all! ATB! Edit Form an orderly queue to put me in my place if you think you can do better with your Heavy Barrel Field rimfire than this, achieved with the Less accurate, apparently, light barrel.... ATB! (4 shots, 100yards HMR) Edited March 7, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted March 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 That looks pretty impressive to me dekkers,you dont happe to live anywhere near Telford do you so i could come and have a look at your rifle do you please?by the end of the moonth i should know what funds are available and ive made my decision,the .22 must go as if they grant this it just wont get used as i have fac air as well, Thanks Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medic1281 Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I live near Ellesmere and have an anschutz 1417 and 1517 if you want a look. They are not for sale but you can see if you like the feel of them. Drop me a pm if your interested. ATB Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Like I said, some prefer heavy guns, I don't, such is life. Lets be clear, I didn't say they were less accurate, I said they were a monstrous lump to carry around! As a matter of interest statements such as that highlighted above always intrigue me, on what basis and WHY would a field rimfire used for field work be more accurate in the field with a heavy barrel? I have never heard anyone say their heavy barrel is more accurate for general field work, why would it be and on what basis would anyone say that, how could it be measured and what is wrong with normal barrel accuracy, I have never heard of anyone changing their field tool to a heavy barrel because their light barrel isn't accurate! Some just like the feel of heavy tools and on that basis they may shoot them more accurately, some, like me, prefer light tools and shoot them very accurately. I will more than happily put up against anyone with a heavy barrel field rimfire (CZ or Savage as talked about here) and dispel this myth once and for all! ATB! Edit Form an orderly queue to put me in my place if you think you can do better with your Heavy Barrel Field rimfire than this, achieved with the Less accurate, apparently, light barrel.... ATB! (4 shots, 100yards HMR) now that is a cracking group - i have the cz hmr with a 16" heavy barrel - and i cant get anywhere near that grouping -i like the heavy feel - BUT - you are right about it becoming a pain after a mile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 That looks pretty impressive to me dekkers,you dont happe to live anywhere near Telford do you so i could come and have a look at your rifle do you please?by the end of the moonth i should know what funds are available and ive made my decision,the .22 must go as if they grant this it just wont get used as i have fac air as well, Thanks Chris. This is the tool that achieved the group shown I have a different scope on it now...let's not all take this too seriously, it is just an illustration, in honesty, probably all the tools are better than the shooters, just don't buy a heavy barrel because it is allegedly more accurate! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 This is the tool that achieved the group shown I have a different scope on it now...let's not all take this too seriously, it is just an illustration, in honesty, probably all the tools are better than the shooters, just don't buy a heavy barrel because it is allegedly more accurate! ATB! Is that like buying a red car because they are faster? Practice makes perfect for any rifle you use ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 This is the tool that achieved the group shown, I have a different scope on it now...let's not all take this too seriously, it is just an illustration, in honesty, probably all the tools are better than the shooters, just don't buy a heavy barrel because it is allegedly more accurate! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Barney, I am just down the road from you as you know and have a CZ 452 Heavy barreled Varmint. I dont think there is anything in the barrel type that affects accuracy, Maybe only if shooting bench rest and want the extra weight ! But I wish I had gone for the lighter american barrel now with my HMR as when it comes to carrying it around its a pig and the lighter rifle would be much appreciated ! Also I have the DM80 mod which is faily weighty. If I were to start again I would have the light barrel and just a SAK mod. My lamping partner has this and I think its a far better setup for walking round as the rifle is so much easyier for carrying ! If you wish to see mine your welcome ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 This is the tool that achieved the group shown I have a different scope on it now...let's not all take this too seriously, it is just an illustration, in honesty, probably all the tools are better than the shooters, just don't buy a heavy barrel because it is allegedly more accurate! ATB! Is that a CZ Silhouette ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellebarto Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I've got the Savage. Its by far my favourite rifle. Accuracy is scary and Ive had some of my biggest bags with it. The thing is whilst everytime I go out I reach for it, I almost always go a slot further an grab my .22 Annie. The HMR is just so damn loud. For some reason I really dislike the crack expecially at night when lamping. Thats another issue all together I know but just thought I'd share. I highly rate my Savage and love the thumbhole laminate. Bit marmite but I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Is that a CZ Silhouette ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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