bsamatt Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) hi all im looking for a HMR, id like one with a synthetic stock, so ive narrowed it down to the Sako quad varmint which i can get for £588 new or a CZ 452 which i can get for £400 new, ive already got Browning t-bolt Composite in .22LR, so id like something different from that, Can anyone tell me is it worth the extra for the quad, i know you get what you pay for, but ive heard alot of good reviews about the CZ. Thanks in advanced matt (apologies if this has been done couldn't find much on it) Edited March 14, 2011 by bsamatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 CZ is very capable but suffers from an ugly trigger (that is easy enough to mod but needs to be done properly) The Sako is VERY good straight out the box. Although it may come down to handling. Personally I believe the Quad has gone too "American" in stock design (ambidextous) and not a fan of it. The Finnfire however - Perfect .22lr...! Sako bolt is a lot slicker than the CZ too. Is it worth the extra? if you like the stock design then most definately yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 get the sako Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 your looking at opposite ends of the market there, i bought a ruger, its ok now after some tinkering but i if i were to start again i would go CZ good value for £ and does what it says on the tin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann boy Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 i have a cz hmr i like it a lot it dose wot says on tin had about 5000 rounds thought mine and no trouble wot so ever i also have cz 22 and thats the same good bit of kit for there money had about same thought it and have 22250 and 243 all cz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I was in the same position as you. Wanted an Hmr and thought Sako Quad. When i thought about it though i don't think i would have bought a .22lr barrel for the quad having read mixed reviews about barrel changing and then having to re-zero every time. So i went for a Cz 452 HMR with 16" varmit barrel. Later as luck would have it i came across an absolutely mint Sako P94s Finfire (22lr). Tbh it is a beautiful rifle and the quality really needs to be seen to be appreciated,a better rifle than the Quad IMO. So really i suppose i got the best of both worlds. The cz's are truly an excellent choice and you won't go far wrong whichever model you choose. Value for money,well made and will give you years of faithful service providing you look after it . ATB Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 You get what you pay for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 does anyone know why czs used to be much cheaper and have gradually got more expensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 does anyone know why czs used to be much cheaper and have gradually got more expensive? Probably something to do with the exchange rate i would have thought and the fact that everything is going up . ATB Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) Or supply and demand, in rimfire terms they're like ****** everybody's got one. Cracking rifles nonetheless, even if I do prefer my Sako Edited March 15, 2011 by steve_b_wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Or supply and demand, in rimfire terms they're like rsoles, everybody's got one. Cracking rifles nonetheless, even if I do prefer my Sako I agree. Lovely gun my Finfire . ATB Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) I have .243 American cz and it's a tack driver with home loads. I got a Sako hmr and shot the same, out of the box. Not had a hmr cz, but I understand, to get the best, you may have to float the barrel properly and change trigger mech. Hobson's choice Edited March 14, 2011 by wy111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Personally I'd stick the other £188 towards the glass. HMR as a calibre is great for hitting small stuff at long ranges so good glass is well worth having. CZ triggers are not as heavy as they used to be and a lot need no work at all and if they do it's a 15minute job and about £15 to sort. I have CZ Silhouette's in .22LR and .17HMR and I did the triggers on both (because I'm fussy) but neither were that bad out of the box. As far as accuracy they have both hit stuff out beyond 100yards (172yards in the HMR's case), that's as accurate as I need them to be and the bolts on both are as smooth as a very smooth thing holding a martini. Here's some gun porn.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 As for the quad - i hate the thing (the finfire was spot on though never made in .17 hmr) I am a big fan of older sakos but the new stuff just aint a match for cz in the rimfires IMO. Neither will outshoot the other to be fair the limiting facors are more the ammo, the glass and the nut behind the butt as Shooting HMR out at 100yds and beyond is more about reading the wind than which tube the bullet came out of at the end of the day ignoor the price tag it is no indecator of quality and but the one that feels good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenjammer Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 rel. Later as luck would have it i came across an absolutely mint Sako P94s Finfire (22lr). . ATB Pat May I just correct this? I, Katzenjammer came across this and knew Pat g would buy it and so being a good mate alerted him to it!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 May I just correct this? I, Katzenjammer came across this and knew Pat g would buy it and so being a good mate alerted him to it!!!!!! HA! yes you do have your uses mate and you were right i did buy it . ATB Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 have only shot the CZ in 22 but I have the sako quad. clover leaf groups out of the box. trigger needed a tweak as it was very heavy, but simple to do. build quality is excellent and superior to the CZ and my stock is not ambidextrous as one person commented. likely to hold its price a lot better if I ever decided to sell it 134yds with 17gn Vmax, cant complain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 does anyone know why czs used to be much cheaper and have gradually got more expensive? It's called the market economy, CZ are a LOT better than their price tag used to suggest. Putting the price up has made everyone involved more money, not dented their sales, and is slowly eroding this "cheap gun" image. It's a win win for all involved in CZ manufacture/sales! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) hi all im looking for a HMR, id like one with a synthetic stock, so ive narrowed it down to the Sako quad varmint which i can get for £588 new or a CZ 452 which i can get for £400 new, ive already got Browning t-bolt Composite in .22LR, so id like something different from that, Can anyone tell me is it worth the extra for the quad, i know you get what you pay for, but ive heard alot of good reviews about the CZ. Thanks in advanced matt (apologies if this has been done couldn't find much on it) The Sako will NOT produce any better results in the field than a CZ. The Sako "may" be better build quality (you could have a serious arguement with some here) and you "may" prefer the styling. If it fits you better and you have the money then get a Sako, but don't expect it to shoot any better, and isn't that what you really buy a rifle for! ....Why a quad Varmint, that is actually wood, I guess you mean the Heavy Barrel, CZ are NOT available Varmint (heavy barrel) and Synthetic, so unless I have missed something you are not only comparing different makes, but different types of barrel?! ATB! Edited March 17, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 It's called the market economy, CZ are a LOT better than their price tag used to suggest. Putting the price up has made everyone involved more money, not dented their sales, and is slowly eroding this "cheap gun" image. It's a win win for all involved in CZ manufacture/sales! i guess there is logic in there somewhere??? MONDAY MORNING:CZ HEADQUARTERS "hey guys how do we get rid of this cheap gun image without changing the design or build quality?" "simples, lets just charge more!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Why don't Sako make a p94 HMR??? I would chop my Anschutz in tomorrow for one as I love my finnfire but hate .22lr, I am looking at buying a Lilja barrel to convert it to mach2 but its going to cost the earth. Most cz's are fine and very good value for money, buy whatever feels right One friend has a shocker though, it just won't cycle ammo unless you work the bolt violently and some of the triggers can be poo out of the box although easily fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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