BERETTA687 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 just while the topic of semi autos crept up, could anyone tell me the advantages of having one they seem , like there is alot more to go wrong with them than an o/u? im interested in them now and after watchin that beretta exibition shooting video, i have been interested in them. many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 (edited) This part edited for the good of the forum :thumbs: The main things to go wrong are only O rings and makeing sure the gas ports are clean LG Edited March 18, 2006 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 4 shots as quick as you can say tally ho i would be careful how openly you say this :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo_05 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Yes so would I, I don't think you can do this, 2x3.5" shells = 7" 3x2.5" shells =7.5" So it should be impossible anyway? Unless you have an FAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 LG - We await your reply..........and on which quarry you use this?? B687 - The semi is superb for ferreting and fast pigeon/duck shooting. If you have a day when few opportunities present themselves they are invaluable in making the most of shots,and as for foxing............superb :thumbs: I do agree that a 3 1/2" mag is the most adaptable but if it`s just pigeon/duck 3" is more than suitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 There may be ½” play in the 3½ magnum magazine, which means that you may well be able to squeeze 3 X 2½” shells into it. However once you have done this your shotgun immediately becomes a sec’ 1 firearm, and should anyone report you shooting 4 consecutive shots out of it, then you could find yourself up the creek without a paddle. :thumbs: G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo_05 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Yes I was thinking of 2 things that could make it accept 3 carts: 1/2" gap to the crimp or the fact that the stated length is FIRED so if it expands .4" on firing then 2x3.1=6.2 3x2.1=6.3 In which case only .1" difference which there almost will certainly be that much play in the length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 There may be ½” play in the 3½ magnum magazine, which means that you may well be able to squeeze 3 X 2½” shells into it. However once you have done this your shotgun immediately becomes a sec’ 1 firearm, and should anyone report you shooting 4 consecutive shots out of it, then you could find yourself up the creek without a paddle. :thumbs: G.M. The biggest CREEK EVER B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo_05 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Also I don't think the police would see it as, exploiting the play in the mag, but rather trying to increase the shot capacity of a non sec 1 shotgun. That's the same sort of offence of having an air rifle over 12 ft lb's so I wouldn't try it. Or at least not post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Superb in a pigeon hide, as to reload all you have to do is to feed in cartridges without having to break the gun. Extra bonus is that if you are shooting in a hide with a mate, sit him on your RHS and he will get a lap full of empty cartridges. Fitting a sling to a semi is very easy, which makes carrying the gun over long distances very easy, and it can be ready for a shot in seconds. The downside is that you have to very careful with safety - if in company you should lock back the chamber in the open position so that it is clear that the chamber is empty. Also some will not cycle light loads reliably. Also, that for game shooting semi's are strictly a no no - more to do with etiquet than anything else, altho' people are worried about the safety factor - the safety on semis are always manual, rather than reset when you break the gun as on most s/sides and over/unders. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Also, that for game shooting semi's are strictly a no no - more to do with etiquet than anything else, altho' people are worried about the safety factor - the safety on semis are always manual, rather than reset when you break the gun as on most s/sides and over/unders. Don Its more a case of not being able to easily see that the shotgun is unloaded from a distance or through trees, etc. with s/s or o/u guns, its easy as the gun is broken open. Semi auto's can't be broken so people can't see it's unloaded without a lot of hassle. I'm not happy shooting alongside people with semi's, even when I know them well and trust them. In the field they're an accident waiting to happen. If you're dead or injured you don't give a tinkers chuff about ettiquet. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERETTA687 Posted March 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 cool, thanks all. i have always been told they are a thugs gun, :thumbs: (no offence to anyone, or any offence to be taken please), its just a joke. i see they can be effective in certain types of shooting but not in others, i see them as being very complicated compared to a s/s or o/u but i guess its what people prefer, do they handle different?? thank you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 (edited) Yes so would I, I don't think you can do this,2x3.5" shells = 7" 3x2.5" shells =7.5" So it should be impossible anyway? Unless you have an FAC? ok it's impossible then :thumbs: LG Edited March 18, 2006 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 LG - We await your reply..........and on which quarry you use this?? B687 - The semi is superb for ferreting and fast pigeon/duck shooting. If you have a day when few opportunities present themselves they are invaluable in making the most of shots,and as for foxing............superb B) I do agree that a 3 1/2" mag is the most adaptable but if it`s just pigeon/duck 3" is more than suitable B) Quarry at the moment is of the Clay kind :thumbs: I am hopefully getting my money in order and joining the NPPC in the next few weeks to see about the feathered kind and hopefully pick up some tips from some of the guys about decoying etc My other gun AYA 28" game and Game rounds don't really present as much kick as people seem to tell me So i am gonna try a few 3" mags to check out that for recoil but as stated in other postings Pigeons should be ok with #5 shot in a 2 and 3/4 shell Will let you know how the Escort goes when i get to use it. LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo_05 Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Read my second post Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Beretta, I shoot SA simply because I find them to be nice guns to shoot, and because the third shot can be a big bonus from time to time when pigeon shooting. Also, I am a cheapskate and like the fact my Beretta 686 ownng friend had to buy a second skeet choke whereas I only need the one! I use a Beretta AL391 Urika, and I wouldnt change it for the world! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wol the hunter Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 i use a semi franchi all camo,its the best for hide and rough shooting.i have a lanber o/u very good gun but i only use it for guests,to me o/u are for clays and driven shoots there not ideal for rough shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowstopper Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 The semi-auto is a very good tool, most modern gas operated semi’s produce very little recoil which can be useful when shooting large numbers cartridges. Or if the shooter is new to the sport or does not like a large amount of recoil, They also give you the advantage of having a 3rd shot. On the whole they are a very good tool apart from when they have mysterious empty case ejecting problems (see my other topic lol ) I personally believe after trying quite a few different types and makes that Remington make the best and most reliable apart from when they have mysterious empty case ejecting problems problem (again see me other topic lol ), I am sure that others find different ones better but I find remingtons to be the best. I also shoot s/s’s on game shoots and when wildfowling but when it comes to pigeon shooting, rabbit shooting (back of pick up truck) they they r the best tool for the job. Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I have a semi, sbs and o/u and of all 3 the sbs gets the most regular use. The semi is more complex to clean than a break-action, and I do like to clean my guns after every trip. Also, you can't make an instant snap decision on whether to use the choke or the open barrel. I'm also **** with the semi but much less **** with the sbs. Which is nothing to do with semis on the whole purely down to gun fit. The semi's advantages are - the third shot - fast reloading when you have taken just 2 shots - just keep on thumbing them into the magazine - it is less prone to rust than other guns - it absorbs some recoil. My ultimate ambition is to sell the semi and my lovely Lanber and get a Beretta OU. But I don't think I want to sell the AYA. I think if I was getting on better shooting the semi I have, I'd keep it and sell the OU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 i use a semi franchi all camo,its the best for hide and rough shooting.i have a lanber o/u very good gun but i only use it for guests,to me o/u are for clays and driven shoots there not ideal for rough shooting I saw one of those at the West Country Game Fair at the weekend, but can't seem to see much info on them on the web. I have worked out that GMK market them in the UK but not much else (they have a link to the Franchi US on the GMK site) The one I saw was £550 in a shop that had most other stuff overpriced, so how much should they be and where can you get them from?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wol the hunter Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 between 450 and 600 pounds depending on shop.its dearer to have deliverd cos of p@p so make inquiries. i paid £480 2nd hand for mine but it had only fired about 100 shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Just acquired another nice old S/S hammergun. Semi-auto’s ……bah! I spit on them. New fangled bloody things. Mutter, mutter, mutter…………….. G.M. Grumpy old sod……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERETTA687 Posted March 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 thanks all, was just interested in what you all think of them as they are the choice of topic at the minuit and that beretta exibition shooting video made me inetersted in semis. again thanks all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 i use a semi franchi all camo,its the best for hide and rough shooting.i have a lanber o/u very good gun but i only use it for guests,to me o/u are for clays and driven shoots there not ideal for rough shooting I saw one of those at the West Country Game Fair at the weekend, but can't seem to see much info on them on the web. I have worked out that GMK market them in the UK but not much else (they have a link to the Franchi US on the GMK site) The one I saw was £550 in a shop that had most other stuff overpriced, so how much should they be and where can you get them from?? There is a shop in Petworth ( West Sussex / Surrey Border ) called Raker Who are very good on price its worth giving them a try the Guy to speak to is Sam ( The Owner ) although the other Guy there is very good too I forget His name there Number is 01428 708102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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