Harwoodandy Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 its a ridiculous situation where all and sundry want to moan about someone offering shooting. Heres a suggestion, if you don't like it don't post and don't take the offer up. By having a go all you are doing is making sure people don't bother posting the offers on here which means those that do pay for shooting have less choice. What you don't see is that not only does Elby have to pay for the land but also has to pay liability insurance as a guide and the costs just keep adding up Couldn't agree more. A seperate section on the site for chargeable shooting could save a whole heap of this kind of nonsense though, could include stalking, game shooting, even fishing.... Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Couldn't agree more. A seperate section on the site for chargeable shooting could save a whole heap of this kind of nonsense though, could include stalking, game shooting, even fishing.... Andy That would work, but do we want to encourage people to take up large amounts of land that would have been available, to offer paid pigeon shooting. just a question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 its a ridiculous situation where all and sundry want to moan about someone offering shooting. Heres a suggestion, if you don't like it don't post and don't take the offer up. By having a go all you are doing is making sure people don't bother posting the offers on here which means those that do pay for shooting have less choice. What you don't see is that not only does Elby have to pay for the land but also has to pay liability insurance as a guide and the costs just keep adding up Have to disagree with you on this one Alex, whilst I am sure the op does a lot of work and offers a good service, I know some of my farmers would if someone came along offering serious money for the shooting including pigeons they would be tempted to take the money.. who could blame them. I then would loose my permissions for some one to make a profit. I would be very unhappy, I have seen it hapen in Oxford and other places, hence my objections. doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 In this case I'm guessing Elby pays for the Game rights, now if the farmer gave away the vermin shooting on top of this it leads to lots of problems and aggravation. Most farms who sell the rights have problems afterwards with the vermin control as much with disputes with syndicates and keepers and those they try and get to do the vermin control. In this case it seems like Elby has got both stitched up so to keep the farmer happy is flogging days pigeon shooting on the ground. His perogative and whatever deal he has with the landowner is private. I'm on some ground where the same issues crop up time and time again, syndicate don't like vermin control being done and they have to like it or lump it, as it is they have just been given notice as they have been too much of a pain in the backside so it does work both ways. In this case this land is effectively stitched up so people wouldn't otherwise get to shoot on it so it is offering something not currently available. We've seen it all round us the big guides buying up all the pigeon shooting and then getting thrown off once the landowner worked out the losses weren't worth it. These things go round full circle, in an ideal world money wouldn't be the be all and end all and to many farmers it isn't but some will take the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miroku_Dave Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 You think no effort goes into pigeon shooting? I do a fortune in diesel each week doing reccy's Maybe I'm putting shooting within the reaches of people, I don't charge £120+ like others round this way. I've worked hard for 30 years gaining my permissions, I tend to buy shooting rights where possible because it ensures that when I get to the field every Tom, **** or Kev aint there already. I've spent up to £14.5k on a days Pheasant shooting for 6 of us and would still rather shoot pigeon. You have permission so where's your adds offering free shooting? I'll count my money, you put yours where ya mouth is. Jesus elby you must be loaded Man! Can you buy me a Range Rover? I think £60 a day is very reasonable with the benefit of experience and guiding and I think its a fantastic offer! God knows its hard enough to find permission for someone to offer land, advice and the chance of a good bag is invaluable! Good on you mate and when can i pick up my Rangey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted April 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Have to disagree with you on this one Alex, whilst I am sure the op does a lot of work and offers a good service, I know some of my farmers would if someone came along offering serious money for the shooting including pigeons they would be tempted to take the money.. who could blame them. I then would loose my permissions for some one to make a profit. I would be very unhappy, I have seen it hapen in Oxford and other places, hence my objections. doc It's just the way things are now unfortunately. When I first started farmers were supplying my carts to shoot them, nowadays they know it has a value. Jesus elby you must be loaded Man! Can you buy me a Range Rover? I think £60 a day is very reasonable with the benefit of experience and guiding and I think its a fantastic offer! God knows its hard enough to find permission for someone to offer land, advice and the chance of a good bag is invaluable! Good on you mate and when can i pick up my Rangey? I used to pay that a long time back 1200 bird partridge days at £12 a bird, would cost at least double that now. I was young and had too much money, these days I prefer a good day on the pigeons or sat at a little flight pond. You wouldn't want a smelly Rangey they are rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Have to disagree with you on this one Alex, whilst I am sure the op does a lot of work and offers a good service, I know some of my farmers would if someone came along offering serious money for the shooting including pigeons they would be tempted to take the money.. who could blame them. I then would loose my permissions for some one to make a profit. I would be very unhappy, I have seen it hapen in Oxford and other places, hence my objections. doc similar to what happened to us this year,one farmer we shot for retired, sells land to another farmer whos land we used to shoot,we ask new land owner can we carry on shooting refused us saying somebody has bought all the shooting now turns out to be a pigeon guide, rape was put in on the land pigeons stripped it bare all winter i drove passed this field daily, nobody shot the rape till march, half the field was dragged up last week and re drilled with barley due to pigeon damage oh and birds on the drill as well..so cost farmer in the end with lost crop and seed to re drill....me and the old fella would of gladly kept them off the rape all winter for no cost to us or the farmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harwoodandy Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 That would work, but do we want to encourage people to take up large amounts of land that would have been available, to offer paid pigeon shooting. just a question? I don't think it would be any different to what it is now, i just think if you have a "trade" section it keeps it neater. Also I'd much rather see the sport advertised here than on guns on pegs for 50% more You don't see people berating the posters offering wildfowling or pigeon shooting with the Beesleys that are pinned to various topics - just seems to be when an individual advertises in this section it causes a lot of frankly unnecessary noise. There will also be land available for "free" for those that have the time to go knocking or that know somebody, i don't believe all farmers and landowners would sell out to syndicates and agencies. Just my thoughts Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 I dont know why anyone has a problem being charged to shoot on land they dont own, the owner is taking some risk and offering sport, it you dont like it you dont have to go do you................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 its a ridiculous situation where all and sundry want to moan about someone offering shooting. Heres a suggestion, if you don't like it don't post and don't take the offer up. By having a go all you are doing is making sure people don't bother posting the offers on here which means those that do pay for shooting have less choice. What you don't see is that not only does Elby have to pay for the land but also has to pay liability insurance as a guide and the costs just keep adding up sorry i missed this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon-hunter Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 As someone who has no permissions and wont get the opotunity unless other people offer it, i think his doing a good thing. Ive tried for a while to get pigeon shooting either through trying to get permissions or on other peoples, but with no luck. So in my eyes if im getting an oppotunity for a bag like that for £60, im there. PM sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 From charging for pigeon shooting to Thai boxing what a thread, but the tone is a whole lot nicer and more polite. A good time to introduce the topic of mixed oil wrestling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almac912 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 I have said this before, but living where I do it is impossible to get permissions. Elby offering deals like this are my lifeline to a great day out. I've not been shooting with Elby, but I did book earlier in the year, however he was decent enough to call me the day before to say that there weren't any pigeons and he would rather not take my money. I have since been trying to find the time to go rebook, but haven't been able to - Elby you can rest assured that as soon as I can I will call. There are others on this site who will charge double, then make promises of a free day because of poor shooting and then subsequently not respond to emails - shame really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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