Elby Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) nope not with canadas have a look at the section on non native species http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/wml-gl05_tcm6-24150.pdf "the user must be satisfied that legal (including non-lethal) methods of resolving the problem are ineffective or impracticable" It's that bit Alex that makes it a grey area. If you just turn up at a lake (like the op did) and shoot a Canada I think you could be in trouble for that. You would have to show that you have put scarers ect in place and that they wasn't working. And again here: In respect to the species listed at paragraph 2(i)(a) and 2(ii) above, this licence can only be relied on in circumstances where the authorised person is satisfied that appropriate legal methods of resolving the problem such as scaring and proofing are either ineffective or impracticable Edited April 18, 2011 by Elby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 This bit makes it absolutely clear though o) Condition 3 of this licence – which requires users to satisfy themselves that other appropriate legal methods of resolving the problem are either ineffective or impracticable - only applies to bird species that Natural England considers to be native to Great Britain (these are listed at paragraph 2(i)(a) and 2(ii)); it does not apply to non-native species (listed at paragraphs 2(i)(B)). People may use nonlethal methods, such as scaring and proofing, for non-natives and are encouraged to do so where this is the best solution to a problem, but these methods do not need to be shown to be ineffective or impracticable before this licence can be relied upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 This bit makes it absolutely clear though o) Condition 3 of this licence – which requires users to satisfy themselves that other appropriate legal methods of resolving the problem are either ineffective or impracticable - only applies to bird species that Natural England considers to be native to Great Britain (these are listed at paragraph 2(i)(a) and 2(ii)); it does not apply to non-native species (listed at paragraphs 2(i)(B)). People may use nonlethal methods, such as scaring and proofing, for non-natives and are encouraged to do so where this is the best solution to a problem, but these methods do not need to be shown to be ineffective or impracticable before this licence can be relied upon. That pretty much clears it up, can be bloody confusing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Got loads of Canadas on one of my permissions, can anybody tell me what they taste like. thanks Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Some people think they can be bitter, but the couple I've roasted were lovely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Got loads of Canadas on one of my permissions, can anybody tell me what they taste like. thanks Ian. Put them into the oven next to a brick, when the brick crumbles throw away the goose and eat the brick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 More concerned the shot was taken at a target that wasn't static using an air rifle. If the bird had just been clipped and it had taken off or started to swim more rapidly then a quick and clinical follow up shot would have been difficult to take considering the nature of the gun. FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Two conflicting reports already, Nickbeardo says the ones he has roasted were lovely and i can only assume from Elby's post that he thinks they are awful. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I have 4 pairs nesting on my pond the good thing is the cormorant wont come anywhere near the pond while the geese are there so as far as i am concernd they can stay as long as they want Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Here we go again Back to the pop gun debate oh yeh i do love a good rucas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Got loads of Canadas on one of my permissions, can anybody tell me what they taste like. thanks Ian. do a google search, my missus fried a filleted cananda breast in red wine and garlic, now I love steak, but hand on heart, thought it tasted better than steak off out later in week to get some more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 btw i'm happy to eat Canadas, but not happy with them being shot with an air rifle, thin skulls i'm sure, but too much room for error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I like Canada's they are best in a stew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Tough call this one, IMHO. If a shot is a dead cert and the shooter knows suffering will not be the outcome of the shot and he/she has the skill to place the shot right then no problem. 12fpe air rifle shot into gooses cranium = dead goose, lights out. A misplaced shot, be it 12 bore, rimfire, airgun or CF, will cause suffering. Hands up any shotgunner who has never peppered a bird? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Hands up any shotgunner who has never peppered a bird? I peppered one early season, but killed it stone dead with the second barrel about 2 seconds after taking the first shot. I'm not convinced I could have done that with an air rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) I peppered one early season, but killed it stone dead with the second barrel about 2 seconds after taking the first shot. I'm not convinced I could have done that with an air rifle So you've never wounded a bird that then got away to die later? Or missed with both barrels? PS, my hw100s will cycle 13 follow up shots in very few seconds. Not my tool of choice for goose though, tbh. Edited April 18, 2011 by The Duncan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Im hoping to have a go at some Canada geese in the next couple of days.I will not be taking my air rifle just the shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Im hoping to have a go at some Canada geese in the next couple of days.I will not be taking my air rifle just the shotgun. Excellent and best of luck to you I hope to be starting on Canada's and wild fowling in general when the new season starts. 12 gauge for me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Im hoping to have a go at some Canada geese in the next couple of days.I will not be taking my air rifle just the shotgun. out of interest why? and what will you do with any goslings you orphan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 So you've never wounded a bird that then got away to die later? Of course I have, I would defy anyone to say they've never done that. However I reckon I've got a better chance of a kill with a shotgun using an appropriate load than an air rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Of course I have, I would defy anyone to say they've never done that. However I reckon I've got a better chance of a kill with a shotgun using an appropriate load than an air rifle. Horses for courses then (or riders!). I guess its down to circumstance for me. If I'm rock steady on aim at sensible air rifle range (espesh prone and off the pod) then I'd bet £1000 of my own money on nailing the target absolutely cleanly. You can't beat 100%. But not everyone gets on with rifles so well. I would agree that there is more margin for error with a 12 bore, hence its my tool of preference for this particular job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 out of interest why? and what will you do with any goslings you orphan? I'm not happy about people shooting geese out of season, can't really explain why though. Shoot a doe rabbit and you leave youngsters in the warren, same applies to a vixen, crow, pigeon ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 What I want to know from the original op is 1. Did you know this was going to cause controversy? 2. Why post the video? I am not knocking you in anyway at all, you killed cleanly. I, like Lots of other members have had to carry out some controversial culls by various means, what I can never grasp is the need to video/photograph and post? Just interested that's all - you haven't done anything wrong at all but it's just the motive that intrigues me. ATB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) out of interest why? and what will you do with any goslings you orphan? I always wonder about posts/answers like theseon pigeon watch, as people love jumping on others back , as if they are made to make someone feel bad for wanting to shoot, what is a "pest species" and as far as I can make out, are not native to the uk, are noisey, and messy, but then see an older post of yours in another topic on green parakeets stating Simply they are non native, noisy things that aren't doing any favours to our native birds. Give them both barrels for me Legal wise just read the OGL no need to try scaring them or anything else and hopefully none of the Wildfowlers want to shoot them otherwise they will be asking for a closed season for them and all sorts of nonsense so,prehaps we/I could ask you, what would you be doing about the parakeet chicks, that could be left in the nest, the same as those shooting canada's prehaps your reply reads as though, your not shooting them yourself, but telling someone else to go for it, so whats the difference between him and our shooter wanting to shoot canada's Edited April 19, 2011 by stubby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 out of interest why? and what will you do with any goslings you orphan? Because i have been asked to by the farmer as they are doing a bit of grazing.Any goslings i orphan will get fed to ferrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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