hunting from helicopter

[docholiday]

You are just too stupid to insult...

 

 

[docholiday]

If you'd shot anything larger than rabbits you might appreciate that animals with adrenalin up do run. Though he wasn't the best marksman and the video wasn't good you might be surprised how many of those pigs didn't last long. I'm guessing and Doc will confirm that you probably get better with practice but its one of the hardest shooting platforms you will ever shoot from. But essential in some areas with the speed pigs breed

 

 

As I mentioned on the other post on this subject, I dont think his marksmanship was so bad, if anybody knows of a more difficult platform to shoot from I would be interested, my results were better than his but I was shooting deer and looking at that tape I think the deer were easier, but you dont hit em every time

[Bewsher500]

my god that guy should spend more time on the range!

 

he was missing them clean at 10yds!!

[docholiday]

my god that guy should spend more time on the range!

 

he was missing them clean at 10yds!!

 

 

dont think so

[al4x]

not knowing what he was using caliber wise but looked a bit small compared with the NZ guys. Probably the shot counter mid way didn't do the cause much good

[Vipa]

Makes me wonder how The Duncan can be banned from this site for a month for fake swearing yet the mods allow this display of cruelty to stay on the forum.Did somebody actually say that they later returned to finish off these wretched animals and consider that to be a saving grace? What would people say if i were to start using skeet guns and cartridges to bring down as many pigeons as possible and then wander around the field later on to finish them all off?

 

I think you have just described the vast majority of pigeon shooting there!

[Vipa]

my god that guy should spend more time on the range!

 

he was missing them clean at 10yds!!

 

I'm pretty sure if we put you in a helicopter and sent you off with a rifle you would be very surprised at just how difficult this is... everything is in reverse...

 

First of all you have a severe downward angle to compensate for, the trig for that alone is difficult enough to get your head round and it isn't really possible without silly ammounts of time practicing for it to become instinctive. The trajectory doesn't just change with distance to target now, it also changes as the angle of the shot changes.

 

Remember you only have 1 projectile here, not a string of shot.

 

With that one projectile you are trying to hit a very fast moving target which does not follow a predictable path, it is turning, weaving etc. so you need to anticipate the path it is going to take and then give it the appropriate amount of positive lead..

 

BUT....

 

You are on a fast moving platform which is bouncing around too so, as well as trying to keep your aim steady through all the turbulence and bouncing you have to then compensate for YOUR speed through the air with negaitve lead.....

 

As has been said by others.... quite possibly THE most difficult platform to shoot from at one of THE most difficult targets...

 

Don't criticize until you have tried it!

Edited June 6, 2011 by Vipa

[tignme]

I reguarally shoot pigeons using skeet chokes and on numorous occassions used no 9 shot(close range out to 25 yds).

[30-06hunter]

wow wasnt really expecting this sort of reply on this video :blink:

 

i have how ever seen plenty of videos on this as i know people in the sates and NZ who do this. i however do not know the person in this video i was only putting it up to show you.. as that is what this section is for.

the people i know tell me it is extremely heard to shoot at running game in thick vegetation whilst in a moving helicopter and not to mention the down force of the blades whilst your hanging out of a door. so i can easily imagine you need to take 5 or 6 shots at an animal before you get it. im sure if we put a few people on here on an olympic grade trap they will miss it a few times before they get it.

 

the people i know of actually run 2 helicopters one runs and guns the other follows, dispatches ( if needed ) then hooks them up and when they have a few on the line return to the LZ and offload into a trailer. i think that is fair enough.

[hodge911]

if what has been said about following up and collectin etc is right than thats better my first post on this is based on the video posted . and like i said the scenes in that video are "IN MY OPINION" are not doing shooting any favours at all.

 

i will agree that the ground conditions/number of feral pigs needs a different approach but i think the shooter should be trained to a minimum standard/sit a test or something simular before being allowed to cull

[docholiday]

if what has been said about following up and collectin etc is right than thats better my first post on this is based on the video posted . and like i said the scenes in that video are "IN MY OPINION" are not doing shooting any favours at all.

 

i will agree that the ground conditions/number of feral pigs needs a different approach but i think the shooter should be trained to a minimum standard/sit a test or something simular before being allowed to cull

 

 

 

 

is it any wonder that shooting is being regulated out of existence with this sort of post,

[hodge911]

is it any wonder that shooting is being regulated out of existence with this sort of post,

 

so you are happy to jump in a helicopter and start wounding animals!thats your choice

I SAID TO A MINIMUM STANDARD you know like i,ve seen on tv where a guide/keeper got the shooter to put 3/5 rounds at a target to make sure they were a compitant shot at the ranges to used.

i didnot say regulate it to the extreme

Edited June 7, 2011 by hodge911

[Dr_Scholl]

not knowing what he was using caliber wise but looked a bit small compared with the NZ guys. Probably the shot counter mid way didn't do the cause much good

 

.223

[docholiday]

so you are happy to jump in a helicopter and start wounding animals!thats your choice

I SAID TO A MINIMUM STANDARD you know like i,ve seen on tv where a guide/keeper got the shooter to put 3/5 rounds at a target to make sure they were a compitant shot at the ranges to used.

i didnot say regulate it to the extreme

 

 

 

 

again another post about something you have no idea about, "you know like ive seen on TV" Do you not realise that your sort of ill informed posts are doing more harm to our sport/hobby/job than just about anything else.also making things up about other people then posting them as fact is irresponsible and in some cases liable

Please at least know what you are talking about before posting those sort of things.. THINK ABOUT IT

unless of course you are part of the anti brigade

[Vipa]

so you are happy to jump in a helicopter and start wounding animals!thats your choice

I SAID TO A MINIMUM STANDARD you know like i,ve seen on tv where a guide/keeper got the shooter to put 3/5 rounds at a target to make sure they were a compitant shot at the ranges to used.

i didnot say regulate it to the extreme

 

Because it is impossible to do a shooting test for straifing fire

[gsm1968]

again another post about something you have no idea about, "you know like ive seen on TV" Do you not realise that your sort of ill informed posts are doing more harm to our sport/hobby/job than just about anything else.

 

Well said Doc

 

Of all the members on here it seems only one or two have actually got experience of this kind of work.

 

It worries me how this and several other recent threads are plagued with shooters condemning some aspect of shooting because it doesn't tick all "Their" boxes.

 

This particular thread (and the other on the same subject) being vermin control, and haveing "walk and stalk" ethics applied to it.

[hodge911]

so you are happy to jump in a helicopter and start wounding animals!thats your choice

I SAID TO A MINIMUM STANDARD you know like i,ve seen on tv where a guide/keeper got the shooter to put 3/5 rounds at a target to make sure they were a compitant shot at the ranges to used.

i didnot say regulate it to the extreme

again another post about something you have no idea about, "you know like ive seen on TV" Do you not realise that your sort of ill informed posts are doing more harm to our sport/hobby/job than just about anything else.also making things up about other people then posting them as fact is irresponsible and in some cases liable

Please at least know what you are talking about before posting those sort of things.. THINK ABOUT IT

unless of course you are part of the anti brigade.

 

 

the tv statement was a point that i had watched on a very good programme that was pro shooting and was on a large scottish estate and all shooters had to show compitance in thier ability to shoot.personally i agree with it .

and as for "unless of course you are part of the anti brigade" far from it i shoot on a regular bassis with both shotgun and rifle and a member of more than one shooting organisations. and have MANY friends that shoot .

forums are here to comment on and thats what i have done i commented that PERSONALLY I DIDN,T AGREE WITHE ORIGINAL VIDEOES CONTENT AS WAS SHOWN.there may be better videos out there to show this done in a better manner

i also commented on the fact that i agree on the problem of feral pigs and the difficulty in controling them in those ground conditions and that if has been said theres was a following vehicle/helicopter to despatch wounded animals thats ok . i did not comment to start an argument with you but as all to often happens on here and other forums people read things with thier own twist and feel the need to put unesserscery comments in reply.

 

 

 

Because it is impossible to do a shooting test for straifing fire

 

straiffing is what the r.a.f used to do during the war mate i would not personally class the shooting in the video as straiffing

 

 

to clear the air my point is;

THE CONTENT IN THE VIDEO POSTED WAS IN "MY OPINION UNACCEPTABLE" as it does not show wounded animals being followed up on.i have no problem with that method of controlling feral pigs as if has been said there are people following to find/despatch/collect wounded animals or carcasses. and as others have said there are better videos out where the shooting is more accurate.

Edited June 8, 2011 by hodge911

[chrispti]

to clear the air my point is;

THE CONTENT IN THE VIDEO POSTED WAS IN "MY OPINION UNACCEPTABLE" as it does not show wounded animals being followed up on.i have no problem with that method of controlling feral pigs as if has been said there are people following to find/despatch/collect wounded animals or carcasses. and as others have said there are better videos out where the shooting is more accurate.

 

The video doesnt show any wounded animals. As far as I could see, when the shooter eventualy hit one, it was dead

[M ROBSON]

Would you choose this, or, like they have done in NZ, where they deploy poison that kills EVERYTHING in the area?

[30-06hunter]

i was talking to my buddy in NZ about this and he pointed me in the direction of this video that shows shooting from a heli, dispatch and pick up

 

again its not me, its not my buddy just a video for reference.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fd0YFVkkgE

[docholiday]

The video doesnt show any wounded animals. As far as I could see, when the shooter eventualy hit one, it was dead

 

Exactly

Again the person writting this stuff has for some reason decieded that the person shooting is inept and needs to go and pass an exam, that there were injured animals left to die in pain etc etc, you couldnt write anything more likely to have been lifted from a campaign to outlaw shooting, and what really peeves me they have not a clue about what is happening

Most of us on here couldnt hit a bus let alone a charging pig from a helicopter. The cost of putting a chopper in the sky for even an hour is very high, these guys would be at it 10 hours a day for a week or more to eradicate the pigs, believe me they dont just drag any old shooter of the streets do do this, its a big investment, which may tell you the cost of the damage thats being done,

[30-06hunter]

i got this from an american website about hunting from a helicopter

 

 

 

Texas is home to a serious feral hog problem; nearly 3.4 million at the last count ranking as the largest feral hog population in the nation. Feral hogs wreak havoc and cause extensive damage to property, livestock, crops and pastures across the state. The Texas Agri-Life Extension Service estimates that statewide annual economic damage caused by feral hogs is near $400 million and expected to worsen in the years ahead.

 

In an effort to help control this ever increasing population of feral hogs, the State of Texas allows certain helicopter operators to provide aerial hunting of feral hogs under permit from the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. Current laws allow for private landowners to contract for a helicopter service to perform this aerial hunting service, but the landowner, or any other hunter they may designate, is not allowed to shoot the hogs from the aircraft.

 

“There are about 170 permits that have been issued to companies in Texas who are authorized to provide aerial hog eradication” states Mike Morgan, President of Houston-based Vertex Helicopters “Unfortunately, many landowners find that the rates for hiring a helicopter are too costly, so they try to hunt the hogs on their own from the ground, which is slow and cumbersome, and honestly doesn’t even make a dent in the population.”

 

Our helicopters are flown by highly trained pilots, and the gunners are trained specifically to perform aerial hunting from a helicopter. This isn’t something that the average hunter is trained to do.” states Morgan. “Hunting from a helicopter requires strict coordination with the pilot, and also requires many different skill sets that are vastly different than normal hunting techniques. We're not exactly shooting from a pickup truck. Shooting from a helicopter isn’t as easy as people think.”

 

Vertex has developed an Aerial Hunter Safety Course that is specific to hunters who would be hiring a helicopter service to hunt hogs. "This isn’t your normal ‘Hunting Class’, either." continues Morgan, "This is an intensive safety course that will prepare the hunter to be able to know everything that they need to know about shooting from a helicopter, what do to in case of an emergency, and even helps them to understand the liability implications of worst case scenarios.”

 

"What happens if they accidentally shoot a rotor blade? What happens if they drop a magazine and it goes through the tail rotor? Things like this can destroy a helicopter. If it happens, who is liable? Our course gives the hunter detailed guidance on everything from the type of helicopter to contract, the best choice of weapon, how to shoot effectively, how to communicate with the pilot, and state laws governing hunting from a helicopter. The most important part of our training course is the hands-on actual firing from the helicopter at ground targets while the helicopter is moving.”

 

“We look forward to seeing this bill pass, but we feel strongly that there need to be very strict safety parameters put in place. Many of these aircraft cost in excess of $300,000, so if a hunter isn’t operating safely, or accidentally causes damage to a helicopter or injures someone then it’s all over the news with negative publicity. Our goal is to help prevent these problems and to make helicopter hunting a safe venture.”

 

Vertex Helicopters offers their Aerial Hunting Safety Course at least one weekend per month at a cost of $350 per attendee. The course is an all-day course with 4 hours of classroom instruction in the morning and hands-on training in the helicopter on an active range during the afternoon. Each class is limited to 12 people to keep the instruction more concentrated, resulting in more interaction and additional time for hands-on training. Depending on the location, VERTEX Helicopters will travel with one of the aircraft to perform the classes for larger groups at remote locations when scheduling allows.

[M ROBSON]

They've been doing it in Australia for years as well, the states employ pest controllers who spend their days culling from choppers, their covering such huge areas. They have big problems with wild Camels and Donkeys amongst many others!

 

Mark.

[Good shot?]

If I was able to keep my last meal down I would jump at the chance.(well not actually jump) :o

 

I do think the method as shown is only acceptable as a culling measure,bearing in mind the terrain and great cost to the economy of allowing ferals to go about their business uninterrupted.

Good post in that the opinions range widely.

Edited June 10, 2011 by Good shot?

[hodge911]

The video doesnt show any wounded animals. As far as I could see, when the shooter eventualy hit one, it was dead

 

Exactly

Again the person writting this stuff has for some reason decieded that the person shooting is inept and needs to go and pass an exam, that there were injured animals left to die in pain etc etc, you couldnt write anything more likely to have been lifted from a campaign to outlaw shooting, and what really peeves me they have not a clue about what is happening

Most of us on here couldnt hit a bus let alone a charging pig from a helicopter. The cost of putting a chopper in the sky for even an hour is very high, these guys would be at it 10 hours a day for a week or more to eradicate the pigs, believe me they dont just drag any old shooter of the streets do do this, its a big investment, which may tell you the cost of the damage thats being done,

 

 

ok ok for some reason you got a bee in your bonnet and have turned this into a personal thing so this is my last post on subject i,ve TRIED to clarify my point but unfortunately you still want to look at threw your one vision glasses .

YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION AND I HAVE MINE SO ON THIS I,LL AGREE TO DIFFER AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THATS WHAT OPINIONS ARE FOR FURTHER MORE I HAVE NOT INTENTIONALY HAD A POP AT YOU BUT cannot say the for you so

 

stick it ....