madmanx Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I was lucky enough to get my first roe deer (doe) about a month ago up in Scotland.Today was the first time out since then but this time on my own land in North Yorks.the land is heavily wooded and on a hillside,i set off and got to a area where i had seen deer before and sure enough there were 2 Roe but both Does,i must have watched them for 15 minutes before they sloped off into the woods.So off i went to the top end of the wood towards a clearing that i knew,quite happy that i just seen the 2 Does.As i approached the clearing i saw the **** end of a Roe facing me,it was around six feet from the edge of the wood so i knew from what people had told me i would have to "Pin it".Igot myself nicely positioned on a post made sure there was a good backstop and waited untill he turned to side on ,and then WACK he went straight down,instant kill,i was chuffed to bits my first Roe Buck.Sadley as he went down his antler snapped which was a shame and can you see in the picture the length of the front toes.I took him out with my Steyer 30-06 at 60 yards needless to say there was a fair amount of meat damage.Took him to my mates where we dressed him and i have just finished off a nice piece of venison for my supper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Well done, off on my first stalk tomorrow! Well looking forward to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanx Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Good Luck,enjoy the day whatever happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ratcatcher Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 good shooting, thats a well placed shot m8, keep it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenzie Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Now thats what i call a wound. Nice buck mate well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I hope England gets sensible and lets yiou use the .222/.223 as you wouldn`t see the hit let alone worry about meat damage,and before the bandwagon is jumped on they do down the same as with the bigger calibres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 worry about meat damage,and before the bandwagon is jumped on they do down the same as with the bigger calibres. I agree, the .223 does take them down just as fast, as i cull feral goats with mine, using Sako 55 grain soft points, and they dont get back up. Shot placement means a lot. On the subject of meat damage, i find the .223 can do a fair bit of damege, if bone is hit. Also, around the wound, their is a lot of congealed blood that spreads out around the meat, from the hiydrostatic shock, caused with the bullet. Well done madmax , sounds a great day out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Well done Madmanx Pleased to see you have managed to get your "first" Roebuck Nice shooting and enjoy that venison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I shot my first roe buck about two years ago, it had a weird head. One good antler, one almost sawn off half hight. Good on ye max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) Shot placement means a lot. Madmanx i wouldn't worry about meat damage as long as the bullet placement is correct and the animal didn't suffer Edited April 12, 2006 by miffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Also, around the wound, their is a lot of congealed blood that spreads out around the meat, from the hiydrostatic shock, caused with the bullet. Well done madmax , sounds a great day out. Did ya mean hydraulic shock Frank?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Well miffy, if your gonna sell you beast to an aresy game dealer ( who want them all head shot so the get most dosh) Shot placement and meat damage matters. If your gonna try and sell em after knocking em down with a .375 good luck too you. However if your content on eating all of them yourself dont worry, especially if you like sauseges. Red PS add lots of pork belly fat to you saugese to keep em mouist, loads of pepper for a bit of bite, and some egg to bind it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Probably a lot of meat damage because the shot was pretty high? I would have thought the hear/lung shot can be taken a fraction behind the leg, and a little lower then where it is.. especially using such a big call.. Still, im sure it went down fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 i wouldnt say it was too high, i would say that wud of gone through the top of the heart and into the lungs?? dunno tho and at 60yrds the shock from the bullet would of done alot of the damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Well miffy, if your gonna sell you beast to an aresy game dealer ( who want them all head shot so the get most dosh) Shot placement and meat damage matters. Shot placement is important because the beast has to die as quickly as possible, i don't care if the game dealer wants to deduct some money because of meat damage as long as the end is quick for the beast (i'm not in it for the money). If the shot placement is perfect broadside heart/lung then no deduction can be made anyway, unless a shoulder is damaged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) Well done, off on my first stalk tomorrow! Well looking forward to it! Nearly forgot to say good luck and enjoy your first days stalking........post pics when you get back Edited April 12, 2006 by miffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 If you are selling the meat, shoot the neck/head if its close enough. No meat damage, and the deer will fall on the spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Did ya mean hydraulic shock Frank?? :*) Your probably right Miffy. Its one of them anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 . Shot placement is important because the beast has to die as quickly as possible, i don't care if the game dealer wants to deduct some money because of meat damage as long as the end is quick for the beast (i'm not in it for the money). If the shot placement is perfect broadside heart/lung then no deduction can be made anyway, unless a shoulder is damaged Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chezney Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Nice shot mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Did ya mean hydraulic shock Frank?? :*) Your probably right Miffy. Its one of them anyway. No YOU were right it IS hydrostatic shock It creates a trauma wound to the body that quite litterally forces the flesh to seperate due to high pressures created by the round. Here is a Except from an online dictionary Hydrostatic shock is a theory of terminal ballistics that wounding effects are created by a shock wave in the tissues of the target. The term is meant to be a combination of hydrostatics with the (misnomer) effect of hydrodynamic shock. It is frequently used to argue in favor of low mass, high velocity bullets, especially in American shooting sports magazines. LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirky Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Well done steve, thats a nice buck, looks a good body weight. You cant go wrong with a shot like that. Get a few more in the bag and you will feel more confident with neck shots, but thats a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 No YOU were right it IS hydrostatic shock It creates a trauma wound to the body that quite litterally forces the flesh to seperate due to high pressures created by the round. Here is a Except from an online dictionary Hydrostatic shock is a theory of terminal ballistics that wounding effects are created by a shock wave in the tissues of the target. The term is meant to be a combination of hydrostatics with the (misnomer) effect of hydrodynamic shock. It is frequently used to argue in favor of low mass, high velocity bullets, especially in American shooting sports magazines. LG Thought it was. :thumbs: Thanks LG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Did ya mean hydraulic shock Frank?? :*) Your probably right Miffy. Its one of them anyway. :thumbs: No YOU were right it IS hydrostatic shock It creates a trauma wound to the body that quite litterally forces the flesh to seperate due to high pressures created by the round. Here is a Except from an online dictionary Hydrostatic shock is a theory of terminal ballistics that wounding effects are created by a shock wave in the tissues of the target. The term is meant to be a combination of hydrostatics with the (misnomer) effect of hydrodynamic shock. It is frequently used to argue in favor of low mass, high velocity bullets, especially in American shooting sports magazines. LG The theory of hydrostatic shock has been conclusively disproven. The claim that tissue behaves like water is obviously false. Water is an incompressible fluid, while tissue is a compressible solid. Tissue has memory and will return to its original shape if stretched, and can dissipate energy as it stretches. What's more, even if tissue did behave like water, the speed of sound in water is approximately 1500 m/s, but no commonly used rifle bullet exceeds 1300 m/s. Excert from same online dictionary LG :*) Always thought it hydraulic shock.......who is right :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 :thumbs: :blink: So, what is it then?:( :( I have read that its hyrostatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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