ilovemyheckler Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) being new to shooting could someone give me a quick run down on the different types of cartridge and what discipline they are used for. I am having my first clay lesson on wednesday night (dtl & skeet) with my new miroku mk70. My gun has 1/4 and 3/4 chokes I doubt i will do much game shooting but i would be interested to know what cartridges i would need for pheasants, rabbits etc thanks Edited August 13, 2011 by ilovemyheckler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.philmypower. Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 There will be lots oF people who like different carts for different jobs, personally I use no.6 on pigeon, I use rifle on rabbits but if I was using a shotgun I would prob use no.6 32g. No.5 on the crows, BB's or SG's on fox. Not got much experience with steel as that's totally different and usually used by wild fowlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) 30g+, of #5's for pheasants and rabbits 28g of #7.5 for your clay shooting 30g+ of #6's for pigeons Edited August 13, 2011 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 For the clays buy the cheapest plaswads you can get your hands on and get out and do some damage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 with a FC gun you dont have chokes to worry about. fir DTL 28g 7.5 for skeet you can use the same or 21g 24g 28g of 9's the 2 are diiferent targets DTL going away and rising, skeet crossing normally skeet is open chokes as target never more than 30 yards DTL normally tighter chokes as target always going away. AS Ed says buy the cheapest carts you can find and bang away (under coaches instruction of course!) if your new to shotgunning them softer recoil carts like CompX will save on the shoulder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratman2 Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 For the clays buy the cheapest plaswads you can get your hands on and get out and do some damage! That is really good advice. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 I use Hull comp X 21G's in fibre depending on ground restrictions, if no ground restrictions you can use plastic wad. They are cheapish and more important they are easy on the shoulder so you don't get the thump off the recoil a great advantage for anybody. Nothing worse than shooting a load of cartridges and walking away with a painful shoulder, if you are well padded like me not so much of a problem but certain makes can kick like a mule. As you have a MK 70 which has a solid butt plate rather than a padded one if you use a cartridge that has a kick you will feel the thump of the recoil more. 21G cartridges will still break a clay as well as 28G ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Another vote for 21gms for clays I shoot 21gm White gold gamebore on all clays 28 gm 6.5 shot for decoying pigeon crows And 30-32 gm 5s for pheasant or the pigeon carts at the beginning of the season 32gm 4 or 5 shot for duck and 50gm no 1s fox or goose All in all if you get something in that range you'll be fine tbh I'm not that fussy price is important tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 I don't feel that the reduced shot load cartridges are worth the money but thats just my opinion. When is less ever better than more? just because the cartridge producers are keen to market them because they are cheaper does that mean we should be fooled into believing that they are as good? Lead in the air, thats what breaks clays and brings down birds. Just MHO . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 I don't feel that the reduced shot load cartridges are worth the money but thats just my opinion. When is less ever better than more? just because the cartridge producers are keen to market them because they are cheaper does that mean we should be fooled into believing that they are as good? Lead in the air, thats what breaks clays and brings down birds. Just MHO . I second that, with a 21g load you have 25% less lead in the air compared to a normal clay load of 28g. If lighter loads where so good, why don't pro's use them? I can’t see my self using them on a full time basis any time soon but I’d never say never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 'Pros' have more money than you or I! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Pros are also sponsered and pay next to **** all (if any thing at all) for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I'm afraid that's rubbish mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) They don't pay for anything! So this being the case - why do they always use 28g loads if they have the choice of both? You're only talking £10 - 15 quid either way between the two. To say that the pros have more money so they buy 28g loads is ridiculous (not to mention they don't pay for them as said already) Edited August 16, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 I'm afraid that's rubbish mate! Whats rubbish? That 28g loads have 25% more lead in the air? lol... Pretty simple maths... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 why do they always use 28g loads if they have the choice of both? Not sure they have a free choice, but all things being equal more lead in the air the better also most will have shot 28g+ all over their career. some disciplines are limited to 24g, All Olympic disciplines IIRC so then they will use 24g.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 I'm afraid that's rubbish mate! What is They don't pay for anything! So this being the case - why do they always use 28g loads if they have the choice of both? You're only talking £10 - 15 quid either way between the two. To say that the pros have more money so they buy 28g loads is ridiculous (not to mention they don't pay for them as said already) Who said they dont pay for anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 What is Who said they dont pay for anything No one, but I find it hard to believe George Digweed would pay for his cartridges. I can imagine that cartridge companies are begging him to use their cartridges for advertisement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 No one, but I find it hard to believe George Digweed would pay for his cartridges. I can imagine that cartridge companies are begging him to use their cartridges for advertisement. I think I misinterpreted your post mate.... I agree with what you are saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Re the top boys getting free/dirt cheap shells. Only a handful Across the disciplines are sponsored like this, the vast majority of those at the top (except the half dozen mentioned before) still pay near enough full whack and get no freebies (sadly). Granted George and 2 more I know get free shells + salary but the rest just break their back week in week out and pay through the nose like the rest of us!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) Re the top boys getting free/dirt cheap shells. Only a handful Across the disciplines are sponsored like this, the vast majority of those at the top (except the half dozen mentioned before) still pay near enough full whack and get no freebies (sadly). Granted George and 2 more I know get free shells + salary but the rest just break their back week in week out and pay through the nose like the rest of us!! So why don't they use 21g then? Which ever way you look at it, pros use 28g because they are a better shell. If price was a factor they would use 21g. If they got them free and 21g where as good they would use them. Please don't think I'm having a dig, I'm just going off what I see as common sence. Edited August 16, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) Re the top boys getting free/dirt cheap shells. Only a handful Across the disciplines are sponsored like this, the vast majority of those at the top (except the half dozen mentioned before) still pay near enough full whack and get no freebies (sadly). Granted George and 2 more I know get free shells + salary but the rest just break their back week in week out and pay through the nose like the rest of us!! The ones I know said they paid cost price from their sponsors. Edited August 16, 2011 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 do we have to fall out over 7gram of lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Jesus Christ on a ******* bike I see all the experts are out again talking ****. I'd give up if I were you Ed, after all what do you know compared to these fonts of wisdom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Jesus Christ on a ******* bike I see all the experts are out again talking ****. I'd give up if I were you Ed, after all what do you know compared to these fonts of wisdom? Like I said, I'm not saying I'm right you numpty. We're having a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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