nosibod Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Hi everyone, Could someone tell me why automatic shotguns are frowned upon by people, I was wanting an automatic shotgun but i've heard that the clay pigeon shooters don't accept automatics is this right. if so can you explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) the issue is you get some inconsiderate people who dont pick up empty shell, slip there guns or make the effort to obey the rules... Autos are harder to check are clear harder to pick up the carts (they eject when and where they want to..... some people insit on loading 3 shells (CPSA rules state 2 only!) etc etc etc for a first gun O/U is what most would reconmend.... Why do you want an auto? What benefit does it have for your shooting? Most clay grounds will accept autos but formal shoots (pheasant etc wont) an OU can be used everywhere for everything and nobody will frown. Edited September 13, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosibod Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Hi Well i am new to this type of shooting, and i thought that they would be lighter for me, because i have what they call a fistula in my right arm for the dialysis i am receiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL S Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 get a light O/U will do the job and use 24 gram carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) There are some very light guns and semi's do have less recoil (but this can be added to an O/U or SxS). I would say have some lessons see how you get on but a lightweight O/U with 21g carts is this is as light and low recoil as a semi and you can shoot everything with them. A semi might be a wise choice but you may find having to pick spent carts out of bushes and puddles a bind (with an O/U or SxS you can eject them straight into your hand then drop them in the bin) SO try a few out and see what you like, what fits etc. Where abouts are you? Edited September 13, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 All clay grounds I go to happily accept autos. Granted they do kick shells all over the place but at one ground most O/U shooters just eject them and leave them. Although I dont shoot the auto much (My dads preference of gun) and I dont get on with it, I can see why people like them so much. Light, soft recoil, quite 'pointable'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Hi everyone, Could someone tell me why automatic shotguns are frowned upon by people, I was wanting an automatic shotgun but i've heard that the clay pigeon shooters don't accept automatics is this right. if so can you explain. They're not frowned upon, as long as you're safe with it, but that goes without saying whatever gun you're using. I doubt there's a decent clay ground anywhere that wouldn't welcome a shooter with a semi-auto. Plenty of top shots use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SXPhil Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 What he said ^ I like using my Pump Action at clay grounds No one has ever frowned at my gun ...............My shooting yes .....................but not my gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosibod Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) Thanks everyone for their input Edited September 13, 2011 by nosibod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosibod Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 I'm for Newcastle upon Tyne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 I think this is one of those urban myths that do the rounds. They are okay for Sporting, Skeet, but not DTL, as your cartridge might hit the person next to you. The truly excellent Duncan Lawton won one European and two World FITASC Championships with his trusty Remington 1100. The former British Open Sporting Champion - the late and great Jim Stafford used one for many years. If it is what you want - get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 They're not frowned upon, as long as you're safe with it, but that goes without saying whatever gun you're using. I doubt there's a decent clay ground anywhere that wouldn't welcome a shooter with a semi-auto. Plenty of top shots use them. :rolleyes: Likewise ive never had any problems using a semi clay shooting,ive seen many o/u users with bad gun safety though :yes: Just remember its not the gun thats dangerous,just the person using it BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 I'm for Newcastle upon Tyne Plenty of people use semi's at Steve Smiths, including me, which is probably the closest shooting ground to you If you're using your guns safely don't give a rats-a$$ about what people think! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) As has been said, not frowned upon. At our shoot, if we get 100 guns through the gate only 2 or 3 will be semis. From a trapper's point of view they annoy me because the carts get spread out everywhere and for some reason the semi shooters I have come accross seem to think the gentlemans rule of clear up after yourself doesn't apply to them, leaving me to do it for them! (this behaviour is only acceptable during flushes or game shooting!) They also never seem to use a breech flags so end up waving guns around that we have no idea are loaded or not! Apart from that, nothing wrong with semis, the issues are always to do with the users but then it is instantly possible to see if an O/U or SxS is safe. If weight is a major concern why not look at a 20 bore. You won't see that much difference out on the shoot but the weight difference is significant. Edited September 14, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Just to balance things up a little: I`d rather see a semi go unflagged when it`s obviously in the hands of an experienced, slick operator than a fumbling flaggfussy beginner who takes three times as long as others and whose general demeanour doesn`t inspire confidence. There are loads of semi auto users on the clay scene and for the life of me I can`t see how people expect these to hold up proceedings in order to fish out spent shells which may well be beyond a safe zone of retrieve??! Not to mention the time it would take fumbling around the undergrowth at times. If you`ve ever shot a place like Southdown for instance where the use of platforms is common, how exactly are they supposed to go fetch their empties? I absolutely agree that in the field every single cartridge has to be collected and binned but for clay shooting it`s simply a no no. Now to the question of whether O/U and S/S guns are easier to tell if they`re safe. Well yes you can certainly tell at a glance if one is broken but anymore than a couple of yards and you`d be hard pressed to put your life on it being literally devoid of live shells. We`ve all heard the stories of break barrel guns being taken home in slips only to find they had live shells in them. Not saying people walk away with loaded guns but making the point they are no more certain to be SAFE than an assumed empty semi. You can only see a flag in a semi up close and when it`s facing the correct way to you, same as you could tell if it merely had an empty, open chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzurri Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Just to balance things up a little: I`d rather see a semi go unflagged when it`s obviously in the hands of an experienced, slick operator than a fumbling flaggfussy beginner who takes three times as long as others and whose general demeanour doesn`t inspire confidence. There are loads of semi auto users on the clay scene and for the life of me I can`t see how people expect these to hold up proceedings in order to fish out spent shells which may well be beyond a safe zone of retrieve??! Not to mention the time it would take fumbling around the undergrowth at times. If you`ve ever shot a place like Southdown for instance where the use of platforms is common, how exactly are they supposed to go fetch their empties? I absolutely agree that in the field every single cartridge has to be collected and binned but for clay shooting it`s simply a no no. Now to the question of whether O/U and S/S guns are easier to tell if they`re safe. Well yes you can certainly tell at a glance if one is broken but anymore than a couple of yards and you`d be hard pressed to put your life on it being literally devoid of live shells. We`ve all heard the stories of break barrel guns being taken home in slips only to find they had live shells in them. Not saying people walk away with loaded guns but making the point they are no more certain to be SAFE than an assumed empty semi. You can only see a flag in a semi up close and when it`s facing the correct way to you, same as you could tell if it merely had an empty, open chamber. Fully agree with you there H Also the Benelli Shoot at West London is going from strength to strength each year,very well run,very enjoyable and not an O/U in sight Use what you like for clays,enjoy and be safe Azzurri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Just to balance things up a little: I`d rather see a semi go unflagged when it`s obviously in the hands of an experienced, slick operator than a fumbling flaggfussy beginner who takes three times as long as others and whose general demeanour doesn`t inspire confidence. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Last week i reffed for 3 days at a very busy shoot with i think around 500 guns over the 3 days i was there, most of you will know whats coming next, :blink: yep you guessed it 4 different semi auto's experianced jamming , two were un repairable, :unsure: o/u no probs and that was just on my stand. Nuff sed. from Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 get a light O/U will do the job and use 24 gram carts Problem is that a lightweight 12g will still have a relatively heavy kick, whilst a heavy sporting 12g will have less kick for the same cartridge, the weight of the gun absorbs most of the kick, but with his arm problem then a semi is more likely to be the best compromise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 Problem is that a lightweight 12g will still have a relatively heavy kick Not with Hull Comp X 21 gram cartridges though. Fine for clay pigeon shooting but not for rough shooting. I still say a semi as the OP is into both clays and vermin control. A semi is the right tool for those combined jobs considering the weight / recoil issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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