blackbird Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Went for a scout about the other day for some new land to shoot on and found a couple of Corn fields which the farmer was about to cut, anyway I asked if I could shoot the fields in which the farmer replied can't see a problem with that but I am not giving you permission but if I see you shooting on there I will not throw you off my land. He did not want to give me permission just in case any thing should happen. What do you guys think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 He sounds peculiar.Provided he's the actual landowner i cant see what problems there might be and i would personally think twice about shooting on here because it dont sound like he would back you up if anything did happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 He sounds peculiar.Provided he's the actual landowner i cant see what problems there might be and i would personally think twice about shooting on here because it dont sound like he would back you up if anything did happen. im with above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvid wings Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Sounds like he is a renter ,not his land to give permission on tread carefully . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Stay clear! You could end up being charged with armed trespass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Avoid like the plague...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colliwobbles Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I agree keep clear. We recently dealt with a similar situation after being called to "poachers". The lad involved had been told something similar and had to say that he hadn't been given permission and nearly ended up loosing his ticket and ending up in court. The farmer didn't back him up (which was nice) but eventually admitted that he personally wouldn't have thrown him off or called the Police and was unaware that someone else had. Fortunately common sence worked in this case and the very releaved lad after crapping himself that he was in trouble learnt a harsh lesson and the farmer, himself a fac/sgc holder was advised about dropping others in it. Far to fraught with trouble, and it makes life easier if you can prodcue a permission slip or contact details for the landowner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 You are reading too much into it. I know a farmer like that and after you have proved yourself a few times he will probably come and have a chat with you. He liked you thats why he said he wouldnt throw you off (his way of saying yes you can shoot). He probably says no all the time to other people so you should be happy. Just use your loaf and do everything by the book. At the end of the day i bet hardly anyone would be able to nail a farmer down and get him to sign a permission form. Farmers will back you if 'something' happened, they know you are insured so why would they want to risk someone suing them, think about it. You will soon know if he's had enough of you, he will tell you. It could turn out to be great sport. All the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Thanks for all the advice guys (going to give that land a miss) not worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Thanks for all the advice guys (going to give that land a miss) not worth the risk. After reading your original post I would say that you have made a wise decision. I know permissions are hard to get but if he says that he will not throw you off but he is not giving you permission is it worth the risk, just like you I think not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 You are reading too much into it. I know a farmer like that and after you have proved yourself a few times he will probably come and have a chat with you. He liked you thats why he said he wouldnt throw you off (his way of saying yes you can shoot). He probably says no all the time to other people so you should be happy. Just use your loaf and do everything by the book. At the end of the day i bet hardly anyone would be able to nail a farmer down and get him to sign a permission form. Farmers will back you if 'something' happened, they know you are insured so why would they want to risk someone suing them, think about it. You will soon know if he's had enough of you, he will tell you. It could turn out to be great sport. All the best. what kind of relationship do you have with yours then? :look: All mine have signed letters to confirm I can shoot including two that helped with my variartion aswell I would say always get it in writing or at least contact details just in case you are stopped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 what kind of relationship do you have with yours then? :look: :lol: :lol: All mine have signed letters to confirm I can shoot including two that helped with my variation as well I would say always get it in writing or at least contact details just in case you are stopped Good advice, especially nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I don't have written permission, or even know the farmers second name, but I do see him most weekends while at work and an informal verbal agreement is what we have, and I've had no problems with such an arangment yet. If I do have problems with people, the paln is to simply point them to him if he's about or a farm hand handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 ok I have a few good examples for ALWAYS having signed permission..... I was stopped one night by a gamekeeper who threaten to call the police and the land owner as he had no idea who I was...till I produced the paperwork..meant a farmer that was not woken up at 1am...police etc not called...and I now had permission over 3 more places due to as he said how polite and organised I was. Also been stopped by the police a couple of times coming off fields and asked what I was upto...maybe the best reply one night was upsetting the local rabbit polulation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I was stopped one night by a gamekeeper who threaten to call the police and the land owner as he had no idea who I was...till I produced the paperwork..meant a farmer that was not woken up at 1am...police etc not called...and I now had permission over 3 more places due to as he said how polite and organised I was. He was very polite, mind you 2 discos full of armed guys in the dark, I was pretty quiet too... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 A local farmer gave me verbal permission albeit a long time ago and I shot on there for several years.I knew the farmers name and saw him only once a year at xmas with a bottle of his favourite drink.However whilst shooting one day I came across 4/5 young kids making a right mess in a copse,full toilet rolls strung all over the place so I saw them off the land.When I returned home which was on the perimeter of the land My wife informed me that the police had visited and would return.It turns out the kids said I had threatened them with a shotgun.I had not Police had quizzed her as to if she went shooting etc.When they did return they questioned me obviously and I denied any threats,showed them my gun cabinet and guns and they left.When I visited the farmer next day he told me they had visited him and when asked he told them he had given permission to "a lad " up the road but didn,t know my name. The police asked him to deny he had given me permission and they would do me for armed trespass.He refused and showed them the door in no uncertain manner as he'd had a disagreement previously with the police over a matter with his son.So it can work out alright. However that was some time ago and I would definitely want a signed permission slip these days. Sorry post was a bit long winded.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 what kind of relationship do you have with yours then? :look: All mine have signed letters to confirm I can shoot including two that helped with my variartion aswell I would say always get it in writing or at least contact details just in case you are stopped Another Mr Perfect on the forum. Most people dont have written permission because the law doesnt demand it. Mine comes from rapport, trust and word getting round. Of course i have the farmers contact details and phone numbers, when i ask for permission they just say o.k. Some say phone me each time you go, others say just get on with it whenever it suits you. You ought to be a lawyer with your incredible eye for legal detail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 The farmer just said to me when I asked for permission, although in a friendly way, just get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) Another Mr Perfect on the forum. Most people dont have written permission because the law doesnt demand it. Mine comes from rapport, trust and word getting round. Of course i have the farmers contact details and phone numbers, when i ask for permission they just say o.k. Some say phone me each time you go, others say just get on with it whenever it suits you. You ought to be a lawyer with your incredible eye for legal detail! Depends on the police force you are with..Norfolk want sorry would like signed permission to check the land is cleared. The law does not demand it but its alot easier to deal with things if it ever comes to it when you have it to hand and can show Mr X that you are allowed there as I have found out a few times when stopped. And I would hedge my bets MOST people actually have signed forms... Edited September 30, 2011 by leeds chimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 And I would hedge my bets MOST people actually have signed forms... I havent. Neither have any of my mates who shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) i dont have signed forms either, but i am insured and safe at what i do also i have known my farmers for years i went to college with there sons, i do alot of work for them you must look suspicious if you get stopped Edited October 1, 2011 by semiautolee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishman-in-wales Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I always have signed permission, it doesnt matter how long you have been shooting, how good you are, how many you have bagged etc, there may come a day when something does go wrong for whatever reason and you find yourself in the dock, a signed letter of permission will go a long way in your favour!!...i've got a template from Basc, make 2 copies, all the farmer has to do is sign it, you keep one he keeps one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I haven’t got it in writing on one of my permissions but I do send him a text now and again telling him that I’m going out and he always replies saying have fun so if it ever went wrong I have it saved on my phone that he knows im on his land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvid wings Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 i dont have signed forms either, but i am insured and safe at what i do also i have known my farmers for years i went to college with there sons, i do alot of work for them you must look suspicious if you get stopped JUST WONDERING IF YOUR INSURANCE IS STILL VALID IF YOU DON'T HAVE PERMMISSION,,OH YOU HAVE PERMMISSION ,PROVE IT ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 JUST WONDERING IF YOUR INSURANCE IS STILL VALID IF YOU DON'T HAVE PERMMISSION,,OH YOU HAVE PERMMISSION ,PROVE IT ! What are you on about?? My insurance is up to date and still valid till next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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