Si-Bore Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I found this video on youtube. Nice to see the meat is not wasted as it is with some trophy hunters. Ps note the perfect conditions for the shot. The water is a good indication of how calm the wind is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Why shoot it at 1100m though?? what's the point? this basically takes all the things most people like about hunting away! If you are shooting at 1100m you can just roll up in a pick up and fire away, hunting for lazy people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 but why do the other two moose disappear when he zooms out ? :hmmm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 not for me that shot too much to go wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Good shooting The only thing wrong was the kid had no hearing protection on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I agree that super long range shooting for the sake of it is not really how we ought to portray ourselves. There is no question it was a fine shot but why risk it on a living animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I agree that super long range shooting for the sake of it is not really how we ought to portray ourselves. There is no question it was a fine shot but why risk it on a living animal. Absolutely spot on. There was a long running thread on the BBS a month or so ago re rabbit shooting at 600yd or thereabouts. My opinion is if you want to shoot long range, shoot paper or plates. Too much chance of wounding at increased ranges and increased difficulty on follow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) Absolutely spot on. There was a long running thread on the BBS a month or so ago re rabbit shooting at 600yd or thereabouts. My opinion is if you want to shoot long range, shoot paper or plates. Too much chance of wounding at increased ranges and increased difficulty on follow up. Absolutely agree. Good marksmanship? Yes. Ethical hunting? No Even if your shot has been painstakingly calculated for drop, wind drift etc and is absolute perfection at the moment of release, the bullet flight time at that sort of range is going to be significant. Enough that a small movement of the animal, a sudden wind gust down range or other unforeseen issue could change it from a lethal shot to a wound. How quickly are you going to get to a wounded animal at 1100m for a follow up? They've shown the video that went OK, I wonder if there were others they'd rather not show? Edited October 26, 2011 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I found this video on youtube. Nice to see the meat is not wasted as it is with some trophy hunters. Ps note the perfect conditions for the shot. The water is a good indication of how calm the wind is. superb shooting but unfortunatley the skill and time involved to be able to make a shot like that is wasted on some on this site and many others. these people frown upon the distance as they cannot do it but are happy to bang away at game birds in the sky not knowing if they have been hit and are left to fly away only to drop dead out of a tree and few hundred yards away theres a lot of double standards nice to see the meat being used and not just a set of antlers over the fire place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Didn't look humain to me it appears that the animal was shot through the spine way to far back by the way its back legs folded not clever :unsure: :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Didn't look humain to me it appears that the animal was shot through the spine way to far back by the way its back legs folded not clever :unsure: :unsure: if you look at any American hunting videos they all take the high shoulder shot to break the spine,theres nothing wrong with that shot.if you shoot enough you do get the odd shot wrong IE a little bit back or a little bit low,anyone who says they havnt,hasnt shots many or is lieing seen it happen and done it.but I have always found its the close range shots that get messed up,dont know why I can only assume its nerves on having something so close you have to rush the shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) superb shooting but unfortunatley the skill and time involved to be able to make a shot like that is wasted on some on this site and many others. these people frown upon the distance as they cannot do it but are happy to bang away at game birds in the sky not knowing if they have been hit and are left to fly away only to drop dead out of a tree and few hundred yards away theres a lot of double standards nice to see the meat being used and not just a set of antlers over the fire place I'm not disputing the skill. It was a very skilful shot, no question whatsoever. I definitely couldn't do it. I also like the fact that he is using the meat, not just trophy hunting and also introducing his daughter to hunting and the outdoors. So far so good. But the bullet flight time at this range has to be about 2 seconds, give or take. That's a long time, long enough for the moose to walk a couple of paces if it decides to. The risks of crippling increase exponentially at these ranges. Also as a previous poster has said, this removes any element of stalking or field craft and turns it into pure target shooting. He could have fired up the barbie, cracked a beer and turned up the stereo before he took the shot and the moose would have been oblivious. Don't get the pheasant analogy, it will have been shot at 30-40 yards and there should be dogs on hand to retrieve wounded birds. A wounded pheasant is not going to be an 1100 yard boat trip away, jeez, how long does that take!? Just because people find this distasteful, it doesn't mean they're jealous because they can't do it or they doubt the skill involved. Edited October 26, 2011 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I'm not disputing the skill. It was a very skilful shot, no question whatsoever. I definitely couldn't do it. I also like the fact that he is using the meat, not just trophy hunting and also introducing his daughter to hunting and the outdoors. So far so good. But the bullet flight time at this range has to be about 2 seconds, give or take. That's a long time, long enough for the moose to walk a couple of paces if it decides to. The risks of crippling increase exponentially at these ranges. Also as a previous poster has said, this removes any element of stalking or field craft and turns it into pure target shooting. He could have fired up the barbie, cracked a beer and turned up the stereo before he took the shot and the moose would have been oblivious. Don't get the pheasant analogy, it will have been shot at 30-40 yards and there should be dogs on hand to retrieve wounded birds. A wounded pheasant is not going to be an 1100 yard boat trip away, jeez, how long does that take!? Just because people find this distasteful, it doesn't mean they're jealous because they can't do it or they doubt the skill involved. I fully understand what you bare saying but "who are we to judge" the thing with long range shooters they are anal about consiatnt precission ammo and equipment far more than the average hunter. you mentiuon 2 secs flight time over 1100 yards this maybe true BUt who hasnt had an animal move at 100 yards or less due to the fact its winded you or something isnt quite right ?? it works both ways,hecne my commnet on people mess up at closers ranges than longer ones,as the longer range the animal hasnt a clue you are there as you say you can crack the barby up smoke a fag and have a beer and the animal still wouldnt have a clue so will go about its business I never said people are jealous I said they cant do it. I cant do 1100 reason being I have never tried this dosent mean its wrong for someone else to do so,just like an average shot taking a game bird at 30 yards and top shot taking one at 70 yards there is no right and no wrong,its all about your own ability.Oh and wounded pheasent can be 1/2 a mile away Ive seen it and picked them in the next drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 as they said of the male chicken he must be a kock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Some people can't help say that negative comments are due to inability to carry out long range shooting....as usual...insert yawn smiley >here<.... Agree pavman's, and the reason we can judge is because anyone who videos a shot and posts it on a public Internet and doesn't expect judgement is a but misguided... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 To a man we've all said it was a fine shot. The only reason we can't do it is because we're not given to acquiring the kit and knowhow to practice the distance, why wouldn't we be able to do it? Some people just can't live with the increased risk of misplaced shots at these kinds of ranges, remember we're no longer talking long range, there's fat, then there's morbidly obese. The point was made that follow up to a wounded animal at these ranges is unnecessarily hard, also that shots resulting in a fleeing, badly grazed animal are non-existent. I can't believe the reason is they don't occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 jeasus hear we go again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) To a man we've all said it was a fine shot. The only reason we can't do it is because we're not given to acquiring the kit and knowhow to practice the distance, why wouldn't we be able to do it? Some people just can't live with the increased risk of misplaced shots at these kinds of ranges, remember we're no longer talking long range, there's fat, then there's morbidly obese. The point was made that follow up to a wounded animal at these ranges is unnecessarily hard, also that shots resulting in a fleeing, badly grazed animal are non-existent. I can't believe the reason is they don't occur. Exactly. And as it takes better than the best F class shooters to consistently achieve the kills that some long rangers are talking about, I do think that a lot of this stuff is unacceptable to most real world shooters. The bigger problem, IMHO, is that some people may think that this is acceptable due to some 'talented' shooters publishing dramatic videos. Edited October 26, 2011 by Glenshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 If we overlook the question as to if that sort of long range shooting of live quarry is ethical or not (I am not prepared to get into that argument nor am I prepared to judge others) I think we have to admit that it was a remarkably good shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yds Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) It was a very good and very brave shot. Not stalking by any standard. I will not enter into any ethic thing either. But for me it has to be like the darkness video I put up on here earlier in the week. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/184625-moose-hunt-the-darkness/ I go to finland in a week to shoot moose and will hope to be within 100m's or less. Edited October 26, 2011 by yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 good shot ? pointless task on this forum ? doesnt impress or score points in my book . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Great shot and well done to the HUNTER (and I say this term loosely) for using the carcass; but, where is the field craft? This is why I use the term hunter loosely. Give me a proper stalk any day as you feel as though you earned it and you are actually hunting not just shooting. I don't know enough about long range shooting to enter into the debate about whether the shot was ethical or not, but if I were taking the shot and couldn't follow up on the wounded Moose then I would feel pretty bad about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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