Bazooka Joe Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 **** it, I'm guna sell all me kit & buy a POP gun... Troltastically fantastically balistically do suss... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 It's hard to hit a slow moving can, but a fast and unpredictably moving living animal? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 Am with the anti shooting flying prey with airgun here. But wasn't there an air shot gun released about 10+ years back (didn't rake off I note). Think gamo made it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bull Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 simple answer but a SHOTGUN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 or you can push 3 pellets down the breach, 200 fps ftw !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 The guy in the clip was using a repeating airgun which would give him considerably more firepower than a normal single shot jobbie.....but this still does'nt mean that the guy does'nt deserve a kick in the nuts.How many of those pellets took a birds foot off or put a hole in the gut thus causing a slow lingering death?If you cannot see what is wrong with this behaviour then might I suggest that you consider taking up some other hobby? And as for comparing an airgun to a shotgun-where a shotgun has more power in its ignition cap than an airgun and fires in excess of 300 potentially lethal projectiles-what the heck are you smoking??? Oh no, here we go again Well now friend, done much shotgunning have we? I have seen more wounded birds from shotguns than from any other gun type period. By the way, the primer alone would not have much power difference in driving a pellet. You lost your argument with the word "potential" sir. A single airgun pellet is only ever potentialy lethal untill it actually kills something. 300 more don't really make that any better. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 The reason it would give our sport a bad name is the haphazard chancy nature of going about it, it is guaranteed to result in wounding and would look utterly irresponsible too. Airguns are low power precision tools designed to kill at close range so long as you can manage to hit a tiny area of the quarry, usually the head. Flinging the gun up at moving quarry is best left to shotguns. How is it guarenteed that shooting at somethings head is a dead cert(parden the pun)? We are advsed not to shoot deer in the head for fear of wounding them, how many times does this happen to rabbits from an airgun? No different what so ever. Harvesting rabbits with an 22lr and head shots does and will result in a few being jawed and a frantic moment trying to end the situation follows. Why is it any different for you us airgunners? The truth is to the majority all hunters and shooters are morally lacking, it's just that some of the hunters and shooters are $%*t scared of the majority. Real hunters know what goes on in the field when it comes to ending life, if it's a problem with some then stop it, if it's not chill and enjoy eating some good grub. How you get it don't matter a jot to me, just as long as you get it U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 nah I believe its perfectly possible, anyway look what I just found Interested to know what this guys camera set up is, do any of you guys know? David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) I have watched this post with interest ,as a few weeks back I posted that I had shot a pigeon out of the air stone dead with my airgun after a bunch flew past when I was out in the garden ,not something I do usually but had a pop and got lucky , now would I go out and try to do this by design while decoying etc no ,not because of the fear of wounding but because I know I would be wasting my time. Now I do far more shotgun shooting and what stands out to me is some of the replies that are slagging off the op because the chances of wounding are so high ! double standards I say ,because ALL of us who use shotguns are going to wound more flying stuff than anyone who is trying to shoot them in the air with a air rifle simply because the chances of actually hitting them is at least 350% greater,it would also be fair to say that if the airgun shooter was fortunate enough to hit it the larger pellet size is going to mean a kill is more likely than what it would be if it was hit by one or two number 6 pellets ,if there is one shotgun shooter using this forum who says he never wounds something then incuding myself I will without a shadow of doubt call them a liar. I wonder how many of the ones doing the slagging off would happily take up a offer to shoot driven boar or deer or going back to another post on here hogs from a helicopter ,all shooting moving targets with a single projectile ,whats the difference ?. So to sum up should we shoot flying stuff with a airgun? NO is that because we might wound NO its because we would be wasting our time ! Edited October 29, 2011 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 Oh no, here we go again . A single airgun pellet is only ever potentialy lethal untill it actually kills something. 300 more don't really make that any better. U. nope - but 300 more certainly makes it effective at hitting a flying bird. anyone who seriously suggests shooting live flying quarry with an air rifle is either very young and daft ; or a serious moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoben fenman Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 firstly as so many people say and not just me (for once) the best kill zone on pigeons is the the heart lung due mainly because a pigeons head is allmost constantly moving and also very small (and before some two year old tells me thats because i cant hit a traget ive head shotted pigeons several times) If you feel confident then go for it and shotguns dont produce a clean kill (again no two year olds i dont own a shotgun) and very often birds have to be dispached on the ground. My only slight point is that make sure the pellets dont good beyond your land because your making yourself liable for prpsecution (for ovious reasons) and just be aware where the pellets are landing (if not in the chest cavity of a newly dead pigeon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 firstly as so many people say and not just me (for once) the best kill zone on pigeons is the the heart lung due mainly because a pigeons head is allmost constantly moving and also very small (and before some two year old tells me thats because i cant hit a traget ive head shotted pigeons several times) If you feel confident then go for it and shotguns dont produce a clean kill (again no two year olds i dont own a shotgun) and very often birds have to be dispached on the ground. My only slight point is that make sure the pellets dont good beyond your land because your making yourself liable for prpsecution (for ovious reasons) and just be aware where the pellets are landing (if not in the chest cavity of a newly dead pigeon) no one is saying that shotguns dont produce wounded birds, they do - but most shots kill birds cleanly (if you do your job and get it within range, with a suitable cartridge) - how many shots (actual hits) from an air rifle would kill a moving pigeon - the odds are very low indeed. if you factor in the odds of hitting it in the first place (which will be very very low anyway) and then even if you do - the odds of killing it cleanly are even smaller. all in all it adds up to a fairly stupid activity ; most with a sense of morality, and a grasp of basic maths and common sense would not do it. i tell you what - you buy 4000 pellets of my choice - and i will give you two woodpigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 Just a quick reply,underdog,regarding my usage of a shotgun-34 years with a 12,give or take a few months-with an airgun-just over 36 years including several as an instructor.Hope that clears things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 How can anyone suggest that shooting at moving targets with an air gun is going to produce more clean kills than with a shotgun? if i went out today and sat on a flight line trying to replicate that video with my shotgun, i guarentee that my shot to hit ratio would be much much higher than the EDITED video he posted, also as has already been said the likelyhood of wounding and the bird flying on is much much higher with a single air gun pellet, yes we wound with shotguns but the vast majority of these still come straight down and are then dispatched asap either with a follow up shot or collected and dispatched. Shooting at a flying pigeon with a air weapon has nothing to do with confidence it is purely down to 2 factors of luck, the first being will the pellet even hit the target which is proven and implied in the video that there is minimal chance of that happening and the second is when the pellet is eventually on target and hits the pigeon will it produce the effect of bringing the pigeon down, for this to happen it needs to be in the front 1/3rd of the bird or hit the wing with enough energy to break bones. The statement that all hunters are morally lacking should be incorrect for all RESPONSIBLE shooters as we should all aim to cause the death of the quarry be it pigeons/ducks/geese/deer etc in the most effective way possible, using a weapon that is most suited to the situation, not taking pot shots at the quarry and hoping it produces the desired effect. Nobody is going to argue that any form of shooting is going to be 100% efficient,but choosing the right weapon/cartridge/bullet/pellet/choke and gaining expierience on non living targets to ensure our skill levels are up to the task all counts towards ensuring that every shot taken has a good chance of causing instant death to the intended target and is therefore not in the slightest morally lacking! So to reply to the original poster, yeah you may be able to throw up a can and hit it but now tie that can to the back of a car tow it along at around 40 mph (but not a constant speed or direction)and at distances that vary from 15-45 yards and take 1 shot at it and hit it, then come back on chap and we will all bow down to your incredible shooting skills and i will sell all my shotguns and buy a couple of air rifles which will obviously be better suited to shooting flying live quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Just a quick reply,underdog,regarding my usage of a shotgun-34 years with a 12,give or take a few months-with an airgun-just over 36 years including several as an instructor.Hope that clears things up. Thats cool bruno22rf, I've only done 25 odd years with all sorts of gauges and bores, muzzle loaders and breechers. Hardley ever get to shoot clay's always out after vermin or game. What do you mostly shoot with your shotgun. I was wondering if you do shoot at live stuff, what honest figure you would put say percent wise on birds or other that you have heard or seen a reaction to being hit but not been able to retrieve? U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Oh dear me,Mr underdog,you do seem intent on proving your point.Not shot clays since i was 18 (long time ago)-Navy Arms muzzle loader for a few years till it became unsuitable for the pigeon control work that I took on,Have owned most calibers at some time or another-All my shooting is pest control with pigeons being the major quarry but I do Rabbit clearance if asked,odd fox but never gone looking for them unless a landowner asks.Currently shooting about 3k acres regularly with more on request as and when I am needed.Lost over a thousand acres last week because I just could'nt cover it anymore due to heart failure but have first dibs on much more in Northants.Gladly admit to wounding the odd bird when decoying-lost my right eye a couple of years back so still getting used to shooting left handed which has'nt helped-at the moment i.m only taking birds that are "easy" and using more open chokes-not ideal but seems to work well enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) Not for me but if I were a pigeon I would much rather some one tried to shoot me down with an air rifle rather than a shotgun!! Dave Edited October 30, 2011 by Devilishdave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 oh by the way mate, heres a link to his camera set up, also shows a 130 yard pigeon kill on the same vid, enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Oh dear me,Mr underdog,you do seem intent on proving your point.Not shot clays since i was 18 (long time ago)-Navy Arms muzzle loader for a few years till it became unsuitable for the pigeon control work that I took on,Have owned most calibers at some time or another-All my shooting is pest control with pigeons being the major quarry but I do Rabbit clearance if asked,odd fox but never gone looking for them unless a landowner asks.Currently shooting about 3k acres regularly with more on request as and when I am needed.Lost over a thousand acres last week because I just could'nt cover it anymore due to heart failure but have first dibs on much more in Northants.Gladly admit to wounding the odd bird when decoying-lost my right eye a couple of years back so still getting used to shooting left handed which has'nt helped-at the moment i.m only taking birds that are "easy" and using more open chokes-not ideal but seems to work well enough. Hey those Navy Arms M/L ware ok It's hard covering thousands of acres ain't it Sorry about your eye but glad you are sticking at it. By the way I stopped taking long shots and also concentrate on the easier birds what ever they are. Since my M/L days 30yds seems plenty Peace U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 There is one way of getting good practise at flying targets without wounding pigeon I would like to point out that my own opinion is that I wouldn't attempt to shoot a flying pigeon and in no way condone catapulting squirrels no matter how funny the vid is from 2 mins onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 oh by the way mate, heres a link to his camera set up, also shows a 130 yard pigeon kill on the same vid, enjoy erm Edgun Matador, hmm 32ft/lbs not exactly a normal air gun i.e. >12ft/lbs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengeance111 Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 In was actually trying to show the camera set up, some person a few pages back asked about it, also in the flying vid he uses a fx revolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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