CZ550Kevlar Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I know this will be stirring up a hornets nest but hey what the hell. What are peoples views on the strike and how is it going to cause you a problem? Personally i found out today my daughters teacher is on strike and yet to find out if the whole school is closed which is a particular interest to me as i`m running for school governor and will severely affect my opinion of the school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Waste of time, will just **** off everyone else who has lost jobs, pensions, perks etc. and then will lose a days pay to look after the kids stuck at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'm not a fan of industrial action. If your jobs **** either leave it or learn to love it, don't bleat on about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I saw a liberal party table in a town near me the other day shouting about how they need to stop cuts to our local hospital. I know its bad to be doing it but at the end of the day you can't spend money we don't have. I think some people need to take a long hard look at the mess we are really in! European countries are on the brink or have gone bust and we're trying to save others from going the same way! I think everyone has got comfortable on money we don't have and now we are seeing the consequences of all that! Worse thing is I can't see things getting better for a long time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmerfudd Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Send kids to school anyway,they are entitled to an education,or don't expect a b********* for taking kids on holiday in school time!Let them go on strike between december 24th-26th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I have some sympathy with those who are the 'workers' in local government but these are hard times and many will have no pension, come retirement. So little or no sympathy for a strike. Local government workers do, in part, take jobs in LG for the pension. I think a better approach by the Gov would have been to cut pensions for new starters, I'm sure we are beyond that limit financially so we all have to take some of the pain. Is it too much and are they an easy target? I'd be happier if there was a vigorous push to get back some of the losses the Treasury suffers due to tax aviodance/evasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Waste of time, will just **** off everyone else who has lost jobs, pensions, perks etc. and then will lose a days pay to look after the kids stuck at home I have to agree. As a retired Nurse, I didn't strike In the 70's and wouldnt now. The pay is fair and yes it will mean an effective drop in pension, but striking should always be the last resort of real hardship, not for this. The problem is the old Marxist union bosses are still there from the 70's, they are on £100K + salaries and lose nothing for striking, they don't give a toss for their members as long as the dues come in, they will stir trouble. Everyone is having ti tighten their belts, the time to negotiate for pay rises is when the economy is stable and strong,not in mid-recession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'm not a fan of industrial action. If your jobs **** either leave it or learn to love it, don't bleat on about it. Are you a member of a Union? Scenario: You get sacked for some shocking reason. Its just yuor company trying it on. Your Union says they will strike until they get your job back for you. You have been shafted well and truly, but you know you have not done ANYTHING wrong. Do you still think your not a fan of industrial action? Heres a tip, dont EVER work for a non unionised company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'm not in a union anymore. I was in a previous job, then I became a manager and realised people talking solved more than union rules. If I got sacked I wouldn't want a strike, I'd hire a solicitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 My lad's school sent us a note or email, explaining that they were in a bit of a difficult situation, because there was no way that they could tell exactly how many of these ******* teachers were going to show up, if any. They couldn't risk an elf 'n safety situation with insufficient staff/pupil ratios so they reluctantly had to close the school. So we were happy with the communication effort from the school but the teachers can go **** themselves. My pension is ******, but they want me to pay for theirs. **** off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'm not a fan of industrial action. If your jobs **** either leave it or learn to love it, don't bleat on about it. Spot on. Don't like it then grow a pair and do something else or do it for yourself. Anyone who bleats can suck my ball sack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonstool Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Totally idiotic - absolutely NOTHING to be gained - but a lot to loose - those union leaders are not of this world !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Cuts have to be made because the economy is ###. So lets all go on strike and **** the economy even further. Dolts. I notice that every time it is pointed out that they are still going to be better off than private sector workers they cannot disagree but try to make out that they are doing this to help all of us to get to their level of wage / pension. Nice idea but none of them can answer the fundamental question...WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I have to agree. As a retired Nurse, I didn't strike In the 70's and wouldnt now. The pay is fair and yes it will mean an effective drop in pension, but striking should always be the last resort of real hardship, not for this. The problem is the old Marxist union bosses are still there from the 70's, they are on £100K + salaries and lose nothing for striking, they don't give a toss for their members as long as the dues come in, they will stir trouble. Everyone is having ti tighten their belts, the time to negotiate for pay rises is when the economy is stable and strong,not in mid-recession. Im not one to make things personal on this forum, so i wont do it now as your one of the chaps on here i do respect, but do you not think this is a last resort? Hardship is here and its about time people stood up to whatever government is in power. I dont want to get to retierment age, and find the money ive been paying in for 30 years has gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 In fact, I used to work a Saturday/holiday job for the council. The union members striked and I crossed the picket line to keep the service running for the public (with a handful of others). Both sides happy, they got there point across and the public still got what they needed. This time, I disagree completely, they're about to go through the same pain the private sector already has. Get on with it. Or find another job. Sorry blunt but true. The only thing I would change ring now is benefits and a culture of fake claiming, I bet I could find them all jobs cleaning rubbish off the street to 'earn' there benefits. they'd then be in a working habit and be more employable to get a proper wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I've never been in a union, and I'm 48...can't say I've ever needed one either! Been sacked for no reason, just told them where to go and walked off, I've had **** jobs, so again walked off. Due to this, I've been self employed for years, and I haven't got ANY pension or savings as such, because I need all the money I earn for today. Civil servants etc. have an easy life and now they are beginning to get a big reality check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Totally idiotic - absolutely NOTHING to be gained - but a lot to loose - those union leaders are not of this world !! Ill just put that down to friday night pissedness! I dont want to qoute youm but trust me, you are talking nonsense. These people are seriously devoted to what they do. You obviously have very little experience of Union activities. I DO!! I know what goes onm and i know how hard these **** work to fight the fight for their members. Dont be fooled into thinking it wont get you anywhere to voice your opinions, as its the other way around!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I don`t agree with the strikes but i suppose that if someone was trying to strip my pension away i wouldn`t be to overjoyed about it either. Public sector workers are a law unto their selves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Ill just put that down to friday night pissedness! I dont want to qoute youm but trust me, you are talking nonsense. These people are seriously devoted to what they do. You obviously have very little experience of Union activities. I DO!! I know what goes onm and i know how hard these **** work to fight the fight for their members. Dont be fooled into thinking it wont get you anywhere to voice your opinions, as its the other way around!! I believe they work and fight hard for the, but their reality and perspective is not the same as the worker in the private sector who lost many of these privileges a number of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Monkey Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Are you a member of a Union? Scenario: You get sacked for some shocking reason. Its just yuor company trying it on. Your Union says they will strike until they get your job back for you. You have been shafted well and truly, but you know you have not done ANYTHING wrong. Do you still think your not a fan of industrial action? Heres a tip, dont EVER work for a non unionised company. The 70's have gone comrade, we have employment laws now and yes i've worked for unionised companies, never again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I've never been in a union, and I'm 48...can't say I've ever needed one either! Been sacked for no reason, just told them where to go and walked off, I've had **** jobs, so again walked off. Due to this, I've been self employed for years, and I haven't got ANY pension or savings as such, because I need all the money I earn for today. Civil servants etc. have an easy life and now they are beginning to get a big reality check Ok, You have never been in a union, and you have never needed one? REALLY??? You have been sacked for no reason. You didnt bother to fill an ET1/2 form in then? You dont have ANY PENSION??? So, the tax that I and others are paying is what is going to be used to wipe your arese once you have had a stroke and cant rmember your own name. Civil servants have an easy life? HOW?? Where did you deduce this from? Have you seen evaluated evidence? I really would love to see the figures on this. I don`t agree with the strikes but i suppose that if someone was trying to strip my pension away i wouldn`t be to overjoyed about it either. Public sector workers are a law unto their selves. So your a hypocrite? (dont mean that in a nasty way) You really mean that you do sympathise with their cause, but are unsure of your emotions about it. I believe they work and fight hard for the, but their reality and perspective is not the same as the worker in the private sector who lost many of these privileges a number of years ago. I think your just confused like an Emo chick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) The 70's have gone comrade, we have employment laws now and yes i've worked for unionised companies, never again! The 70's never left us, we just changed our haircuts. Employment laws have been introduced to protect either side, and have cancelled each other out. At the end of the day, action speaks louder than ********! FIGHT THE POWER DUDES!! Edited November 25, 2011 by MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 So to sum up so far 90% of people are against. We live in a democracy. Decision made. Strip the pensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) Does no one feel that the offer the government put forward two weeks ago was a fair deal? Even the unions seemed to suggest it was going in the right direction and portions of it were acceptable. But, they seemed to object to the increase in donations of 3.2% as this is a pay cut. For me this was the best offer they were going to get, by striking all that is going to happen is the government will dig their heels in and say **** you! Striking has never achieved anything except increased redundancy,quicker closures and a worse settlement. Union leaders live in a bubble justifying their own existence. Oh and of course on huge pay packets and fantastic expense accounts! Oh, also, how the **** can then justify these strikes.. Turnout seems to be less than 30% in most cases and vote for strike is around 60%... Do the math, most haven't voted for action and select apathy instead. That's democracy! Edited November 25, 2011 by Spiderdude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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