artschool Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 You weren't reported to be pointing it at anybody if so I think the response would have been different well the person who phoned to police on me said they saw men with guns, but I know that wasn't true because my shotgun was in a slip until I was in a copse of trees out of sight. they probably just heard shots and decided to elaborate a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I dont think there is any law against pointing a scope and laser at something as long as its not aircraft ect. The problem is proving it was not on the rifle. Hope you get it sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 There is no laws in UK or EU DIRECTLY ( yet ! ) about lasers. Unlike Australia where all lasers over 1mW are forbidden in consumer hands and treated as weapons. In UK Health Protection Agency legislation recommends that laser pointers over 1mW are not to be available for purchase to general public , we comply to this by NOT SUPPLYING LASERPENS OVER 1mW FOR GENERAL PUBLIC / CONSUMER USE ,and only supply modules / hand held lasers for legitimate uses by proffesional organisations and we actively manually check each and every order , and record each individual laser purchase over 1mW The law treats higher power laser pointers ( greater than 1mW ) like knives,hammers,swords etc.The law does not want to see lasers carried openly or used openly in public without risk assessment and safety considerations .Although point any laser product high or low power , laser pen or module at aircraft and there is offensive weapon legislation that will imprison you. If you have a legitimate use you are entitled to purchase and own and work safely with lasers but like knives asnd many other products they are potentially hazardous so purchase and use controls are recommended by health protection agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Think about it from the point of view of the guy who reported it. Pointing a rifle out a door with a laser on it? Even as a shooter this would unnerve me. Hope it works out in your favour though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'm a bit confused here :blink: Were the laser and sight actually on the gun, or had they been taken off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Hope common sense prevails, obviously you regret your actions and you have not committed a crime, you must let us know the outcome. I check my lamp direction when its attached to my rifle from my utility into the back garden, luckily I am not over looked by anyone and I think that most of us have done something a bit stupid at sometime or other in complete innocence. I would like to set up a little rifle range in the back garden for my son and his 6ftlb gammo air rifle but incidences like this make it just not worth it. My brother in law is in CID and he tells me plenty of tales of what happens with armed response, apparently my county has three teams on the constant move on standby for a call and I'm quessing some sort of protocol is engaged when put into action whether is a innocent lazer or a nutter with a semi, and if you think of it, it can only be that way. Goodluck olde mate anyway, sure you won't need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Chin up dude...hope you get everything sorted... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I have worked for them for 7 years and i work in the control centre (makes it worse when you think about it) But as per BASC they had no warrent and had no rights to remove anything this was 2 hours after the call i have not been arrested as i had not commited any arrestable offence (just been stupid is suppose) as far as i know they dont need a warrant i thought one of the conditions of a FAC is that if an officer asks for your gun you have to surrender it not to is an offence on it`s own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) I'm a bit confused here :blink: Were the laser and sight actually on the gun, or had they been taken off? I think it was on it, then of it. in out in out then wave it all about, thats when the trouble started. :look: Edited November 28, 2011 by markbivvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'm a bit confused here :blink: Were the laser and sight actually on the gun, or had they been taken off? In the original post he says that yes at first it was on the gun and as it was taking time to sort so he removed the scope and laser and sorted it that way, by which time I'm quessing the damage had been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Monkey Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 All i can do is tell the truth i have to say the guy i am having the interview with scares the ---- out of me he is an Ex RSM and Ex Police officer but sounded understanding when i phoned him this morning for help and advice he told me not to loose to much sleep over it and we will have a chat on Wedensday :unsure: Well that in itself sounds positive. Hope everything works out ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 hate to be a bad omen but i think the op is in for more than a slap on the wrist.he has already admitted to pointing the rifle out his front door on an open forum. the fact that they have siezed the guns means it`s going to be a hell of a fight to get them back and not in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 He admitted to pointing the scope and laser out of the front door. The rifle was left in the house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Fingers crossed eh some times you wish you could turn back time, i have to say the firearms guys were not heavy handed and i stayed calm and polite and was helpful it made a bad situation a little more tangable and i think that also helped. i no how i feel some days when jo bloggs gives me a hard time over the phone, I thought i would share this with members because sometimes its the things we don't think are a problem can be blown all out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) so if you point an unloaded rifle out the front door, what laws have you broken? causing alarm and distress? before anyone jumps in I am not suggesting that people do it. just interested. Edited November 28, 2011 by artschool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 with a bit of luck in the cold light of day they might take it for what it was a silly lapse in judgement and they acted on the side of caustion just to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) so if you point an unloaded rifle out the front door, what laws have you broken? causing alarm and distress? before anyone jumps in I am not suggesting that people do it. just interested. Thats not the point! Are you not aware of the Dunblane/Raoul Moat etc style rampages? The general public dont know if a weapon is loaded or not You wouldnt walk into your local pub on a weekend waving a firearm about, loaded or not. It boils down to the same thing :blink: Edited November 28, 2011 by WelshLamb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'm still not 100% sure if the gun was pointed out of the door? :blink: :blink: Some say yes, some say no. Sixhills, did you point the gun out of the door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 as far as i know they dont need a warrant i thought one of the conditions of a FAC is that if an officer asks for your gun you have to surrender it not to is an offence on it`s own. No as per BASC firearms department unless they have a warrent or you have discharged the weapon or commiting a breech of the peace then they can not take your guns. I asked for a reciept and was told they don't give one The Rifle wwas Never in the public eye at the start i opened the front door and i was in my front room which has no direct line of site to any windows it was after i removed the scope i went to towards the door it was at this point i believe i was seen. The lazer moving around had already drown the attention of the person across the green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Thats not the point! Are you not aware of the Dunblane/Raoul Moat etc style rampages? The general public dont know if a weapon is loaded or not ok, what happens if someone sees you getting your rifle out of your car then. just saying. I don't think it's helpful to compare six hills to raoul btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 ok, what happens if someone sees you getting your rifle out of your car then. just saying. I don't think it's helpful to compare six hills to raoul btw. It would be in a slip, wouldnt it? and I didnt compare anyone to Raoul. I just asked if you were aware of what happened in the Raoul Moat scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 with a bit of luck in the cold light of day they might take it for what it was a silly lapse in judgement and they acted on the side of caustion just to be safe. a silly lapse in judgement? what if he has a silly lapse with a loaded weapon surely they will look upon it as a person not fit to hold the relevant licece. just my point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 The Rifle wwas Never in the public eye at the start i opened the front door and i was in my front room which has no direct line of site to any windows it was after i removed the scope i went to towards the door it was at this point i believe i was seen. The lazer moving around had already drown the attention of the person across the green. So you had the rifle in your front room, pointing it out of the open front door and onto what? The house opposite? The green outside your house? Then you removed the scope and went to the front door without the rifle, and that's when you were 'spotted'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 ok, what happens if someone sees you getting your rifle out of your car then. just saying. I don't think it's helpful to compare six hills to raoul btw. Oh iv'e had that last year the bloke over the road visits the local mental hospital when he stops taking his meds he reported me for having a buzucka in a green bag the local beat officer attended that day just to check???? If i could win the lottery i would uby a house in the middle of knowhere as i meet to many nutters that are anti police or anyone that works for them i have had my car done four times in three months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 a silly lapse in judgement? what if he has a silly lapse with a loaded weapon surely they will look upon it as a person not fit to hold the relevant licece. just my point of view. if it had been loaded that`s a different matter all toghether. but mounting your rifle to check the scope without checking anyone can see you is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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