ME Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I am looking for a new person at work. I am going to be going out to a few industry specific (freight) employment agencies. I know it's all negotiable but want a good starting point / target. The first one I spoke to today said 12% of salary then said "how does that sound?" - just like a double glazing salesman! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 the likes of hays and jark made around £4 an hour from the guys on their books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted January 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 It would be a permanent office / internal sales job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 It would be a permanent office / internal sales job. then it's usually a one off finders fee, have you tried advertising the post with the local paper/ jobcentre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majordisorder Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) 12% sounds pretty competitive for an opening play. I'm usually faced with 20-25% when looking at Software developer / consultant recruitment. Forgot to add amke sure you get something along the line of if they don't stay beyond 3/6/9/12 months there's a sliding payback (or you pay a percentage of the placement fee on each of those milestones) Edited January 3, 2012 by majordisorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) My firm got charged a £4000 finders fee for an IT guy I believe Edited January 3, 2012 by TbirdX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 12% for general up to 20% for specific. I.e. freight there's quiet a few people that are trained in that so 12% is fair. If you want a specialist in coding microsoft binary and it's more a "headhunter" role then 20% For 12% they will send you EVERYTHING and you will sort throught the drab. They might say they won't and they'll pre-check but it's rubbish. You'll be doing the checking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I use to doa lot of agency work ... going rate is normally between 10-18% They will send you the CV of as many as they can get away with hoping you call one or two in for an interview...you are better off putting a couple of local ads up with the amount of jobs about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 It would be a permanent office / internal sales job. Do I get a company car with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) It's no sale no fee of course, so if someone is head and shoulders the best person for the job it's usually worth the fee especially if you can get a decent rebate period. No commitment if all you do is interview them. I would accept a 'fair' fee (around 15%) but negotiate a 100% rebate on it for the first three months if you can. If the person turns out to be rubbish you'll know in three months. There are many ways to show recruiting through agencies on the whole can be cheaper and more efficient. That's why it's a £25bn industry in the UK. Most FDs aren't stupid. I also know a freight forwarding Recruitment agency to avoid like the plague but you'll have to PM me for that one. Edited January 4, 2012 by Thunderbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Surely your answer is well 10% sounds better. Somethings better than nothing in the current market. Or alternatively do it yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddywack12 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I think 12% of salary is about the going rate, payable after 6 months service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) We charge anything from 10% to 30% depending on the client. If someone accepts 20% we offer 100 day 100% rebate, which is quite a good offer. We work with quite a few freight companies and place their sales guys. Not me personally though, I do IT recruitment. I'm surprised you got a "How does that sound?" that's pretty bad practice, especially as they're leaving themselves to be knocked down. Edited January 4, 2012 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 If someone accepts 20% we offer 100 day 100% rebate, which is quite a good offer. It is a good deal. Especially in a sales role where people can interview well but be full of **** when it comes to the job a rebate like this is essential. A good person who is worth a fee will make you money. It's all very well people coming on saying 'screw them down' but if you do that then they'll just send their best candidates to someone paying a better fee. You don't need to be a genius to work that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 It's all very well people coming on saying 'screw them down' but if you do that then they'll just send their best candidates to someone paying a better fee. You don't need to be a genius to work that out. The issue is that the agency he spoke to said "How does that sound" so they're open to being pushed down to a lower rate, as it sounds as if it's not as low as they'll go. As I'm sure you know, the words to avoid are "Our standard terms" "Our usual terms" "Is that rate ok?" etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 For 12% they will send you EVERYTHING and you will sort throught the drab. They might say they won't and they'll pre-check but it's rubbish. You'll be doing the checking! If your agency does this, I'd bin them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted January 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Thanks for all the replies chaps and the PM from Billy. Just did a deal with one agency for 12% and 13 weeks full rebate. (based on the advice on here) Nice one fellas :good: :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 A little late I know, sorry for that. Just beware that the charge does not include the "Value of the whole Package" i.e commision, company car , private health, benefits in kind,etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchsan51 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hello sunshine Be very careful. I have worked for civil agencies for ever and never charged by them. They usually get a finders fee from the prospective employer Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hello sunshine Be very careful. I have worked for civil agencies for ever and never charged by them. They usually get a finders fee from the prospective employer Mitch It's illegal to charge an employee for placing them into a role. The employer only ever pays the fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hello sunshine Be very careful. I have worked for civil agencies for ever and never charged by them. They usually get a finders fee from the prospective employer Mitch I think you've got the wrong end of the stick chum, ME is the employer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Thanks for all the replies chaps and the PM from Billy. Just did a deal with one agency for 12% and 13 weeks full rebate. (based on the advice on here) Nice one fellas :good: :good: I thought you said you dident like double glazing type pricing when they say '12%, how does that sound'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted January 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I thought you said you dident like double glazing type pricing when they say '12%, how does that sound'? Yep, that was 12% with standard terms NOT 13 weeks full rebate. One agency wouldn't budge on the rebate and without agreeing terms sent me a CV for a lad that hasnt held down a job for longer than a year (had about 8 jobs!) I told the agency to poke it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 and without agreeing terms sent me a CV for a lad That's illegal for a start. Employment Agencies Act '101' as the Americans say. Like any walk of life, and I mean any, there are good, bad and terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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