remmyboy Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 When shooting DTL ( with a trap gun ) should you see the clay on top of the bead at all times. Or should you be pulling up through the clay ( blanking it out ) like when shooting sporting. I have been giving advice on both ways, by two different shooters. The real question is, how high should a trap gun be shooting. Enough to see it clearly all the time. Or high enough just to give you a bit more lead when pulling through it. And one last thing. How would you go about setting up such a gun on a shot pattern board. Or is it best to keep shooting and ajusting until happy with results. All advice very welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 there is no right or wrong, it is what best suits your style/preference. Personally I would have it set so you can keep the bird in view at all times, to avoid the need to blank it out and lose sight of it. I wouldnt bother with the pattern plate at all, just adjust on a selection of fixed birds with a lot of choke in and adjust accordingly until your chosen sight picture starts producing soot balls consistently. But I shoot sporting so know naaaaaathing. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 PhilR should be along shortly with an answer - he's a total trap nerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I have always shot a Trap gun for everything. I prefer to 'float' the bird on top of the barrel always. If you pull onto the bird and block it out, what happens if it loses speed or is wind effected? You can't see it so you can't shoot it. Hold point, call, adjust ,bang. Simples Peeps. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 "I totally agree with Salopian" ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landyboy Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) you shouldn't be looking at your gun ! but yes with my trap gun clay is on top of the bead with my sporter i have to just blank the clay out on DTL pattern plates are for perverts and wearies just practice on the real thing Edited January 25, 2012 by landyboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) PhilR should be along shortly with an answer - he's a total trap nerd ******* students I shoot the faster trap disciplines of ABT, UT and OT. I certainly have no perception of having the clay above the bead and think I blot it out, I just focus totally on the clay (or at least try to these days) and shoot at it. The gun is driven by my eyes without me consciously thinking about it's relationship to the clay. Lead, which I don't see, is taken care of by the gun speed. The breaks tell me how I'm performing. I think if you're trying to relate the clay to the rib then you must be taking your eyes off the clay at some point which will result in stopping the gun movement and a miss. Now then the problem I have is with Sporting, as above I'm used to blotting the target out but it doesn't break and I'm told I'm over the top. I can't get the knack of shooting clearly underneath clays and it still break. As for lead, how can I shoot several yards in front of a clay and it break, thinking high tower at Sporting Targets. Absolutely baffling for my nerdy trap brain Anyone know a good coach Edited January 25, 2012 by PhilR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 you shouldn't be looking at your gun ! but yes with my trap gun clay is on top of the bead with my sporter i have to just blank the clay out on DTL pattern plates are for perverts and wearies just practice on the real thing Yeah, I used to notice you hanging around the pattern plate at EYGC , or was that you just skiving - good job Billy didn't catch you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 ******* students I shoot the faster trap disciplines of ABT, UT and OT. I certainly have no perception of having the clay above the bead and think I blot it out, I just focus totally on the clay (or at least try to these days) and shoot at it. The gun is driven by my eyes without me consciously thinking about it's relationship to the clay. Lead, which I don't see, is taken care of by the gun speed. The breaks tell me how I'm performing. I think if you're trying to relate the clay to the rib then you must be taking your eyes off the clay at some point which will result in stopping the gun movement and a miss. Now then the problem I have is with Sporting, as above I used to blotting the target out but it doesn't break and I'm told I'm over the top. I can't get the knack of shooting clearly underneath clays and it still break. As for lead, how can I shoot several yards in front of a clay and it break, thinking high tower at Sporting Targets. Absolutely baffling for my nerdy trap brain Anyone know a good coach If we are now talking sporting it must be over to Rob "catamong" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I never said that I look at the rib or the gun. I focus hard on the clay, my gunfit allows my gun to move to where I am looking. Anyone who says that they have no idea where there gun is pointing because they only look at the target, is incorrect in my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer_pigeon Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 trap gun shoots 70% of pellets above bead sight so yo ucan keep eye contact all th eway through. float the target on top so you can see it explode into dust Make sure beads are in figure 8 position (if you have 2 of them) on rib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmyboy Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Phil R is saying, he blotts it out. which you would do, if your shooting a sporter. which was shooting flat. to give it the lead needed for the two to come together. the same as if you were shooting a crosser with a sporter. just under the clay line and pulling away in front. Killer_pigeon says keep the clay in site. have it on top of the rib. when you pull the trigger and watch the clay break. which would mean that his gun is shooting very high, to make up the lead needed to stay in front. So KP is seeing what he is shooting at all times.( so he uses a trap gun) PR is saying. you may as well stick to a sporter, and just pull through the clay. as you would do with any other sporting clay your shooting. give it plenty of lead. so if that is the case. what would be the point of shooting a trap gun to a sporter.( advantages ) By the way. i am not knocking anybodys shooting here, and there ability to break clays. if it works for you stick with it. i'm more looking at the pros and cons of the trap gun. is it worth sticking to one gun for all your clays. or changing then to suit. ( would it make life/score easier/better ) only talking sporting and trap here. game guns are for the field, so leave well alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landyboy Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 ED and SALOPIANS first post say all you need to know ! there is no reason why you cant shoot DTL very well with a sporter but you just won t be as consistant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) *edited because it killed the thread I use a sporter for everything Edited January 26, 2012 by shaun4860 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) I don't shoot a sporter I've got a Perazzi trap gun, that I've been using for over 20 years, with a custom made stock by Essevierre with some success. My eye is reasonably high on the rib, to give an indication as to how high it is if I place twothree £1 coins on the top of the rib above the chamber I'll see a touch of rib and the front bead. I don't use two beads, for me they're an unnecessary distraction. Remmyboy you're putting words in my mouth, I've made no mention of using a sporter for trap. Just to throw a curved ball into the discussion. Take a Miroku MK38 trap gun with 30" barrels the two beads will be x number of mm apart. Then check the dimension on 32" barrels I think you'll find that they'll be further apart. Miroku fit the same stock to both guns, so if you have the much vaunted figure of 8 with the 30" barrels you will not with the 32" barrels - what do you do now, take a bit off the top of the stock till you get the figure of 8? Answers on a postcard please. Edited January 26, 2012 by PhilR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I don't shoot a sporter I've got a Perazzi trap gun, that I've been using for over 20 years, with a custom made stock by Essevierre with some success. My eye is reasonably high on the rib, to give an indication as to how high it is if I place two £1 coins on the top of the rib above the chamber I'll see a touch of rib and the front bead. I don't use two beads, for me they're an unnecessary distraction. Remmyboy you're putting words in my mouth, I've made no mention of using a sporter for trap. Just to throw a curved ball into the discussion. Take a Miroku MK38 trap gun with 30" barrels the two beads will be x number of mm apart. Then check the dimension on 32" barrels I think you'll find that they'll be further apart. Miroku fit the same stock to both guns, so if you have the much vaunted figure of 8 with the 30" barrels you will not with the 32" barrels - what do you do now, take a bit off the top of the stock till you get the figure of 8? Answers on a postcard please. What would you know about it Anybody would think you shoot at International level........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canthitathing Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I don't shoot a sporter I've got a Perazzi trap gun, that I've been using for over 20 years, with a custom made stock by Essevierre with some success. My eye is reasonably high on the rib, to give an indication as to how high it is if I place twothree £1 coins on the top of the rib above the chamber I'll see a touch of rib and the front bead. I don't use two beads, for me they're an unnecessary distraction. Remmyboy you're putting words in my mouth, I've made no mention of using a sporter for trap. Just to throw a curved ball into the discussion. Take a Miroku MK38 trap gun with 30" barrels the two beads will be x number of mm apart. Then check the dimension on 32" barrels I think you'll find that they'll be further apart. Miroku fit the same stock to both guns, so if you have the much vaunted figure of 8 with the 30" barrels you will not with the 32" barrels - what do you do now, take a bit off the top of the stock till you get the figure of 8? Answers on a postcard please. Or, You could set up the comb like Timps DT10 and place about £30 in coins (any denomination) on the top of the chamber and STILL see about a foot of rib :blink: weird I tells you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Or, You could set up the comb like Timps DT10 and place about £30 in coins (any denomination) on the top of the chamber and STILL see about a foot of rib :blink: weird I tells you He likes to keep an eye on his money then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Whatever you do, get one gun you can shoot and stick to it. Anyone who uses more than one gun for clays obviously doesn't want to win much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Whatever you do, get one gun you can shoot and stick to it. Anyone who uses more than one gun for clays obviously doesn't want to win much! :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Or, You could set up the comb like Timps DT10 and place about £30 in coins (any denomination) on the top of the chamber and STILL see about a foot of rib :blink: weird I tells you It’s £50 and it’s so I can keep an eye on my taxi fare home. But it does shoot flat though, as you found out, as does my old, now my sons 682 you borrowed, after you stopped shooting at the floor blasting the **** out of plastic wads and started shooting at the clays. I mean even if it was a high shooting gun you don’t shoot at the floor, what were you hoping for ricochets and old plastic wads to fly up and smash the clay. Whatever you do, get one gun you can shoot and stick to it. Anyone who uses more than one gun for clays obviously doesn't want to win much! Best advice I was ever given when I started shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landyboy Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) shot the yorkshire all round a couple of weeks ago with azzuri and a guy on our squad hit a close overhead target with the wad and broke it ! Edited January 26, 2012 by landyboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Best advice I was ever given when I started shooting So you bought about four..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 So you bought about four..... And which one have I always used in the comps ever since I have known you? Apart from beating you at skeet once with my Auto, but skeet is not a real sport and my Auto is for rough shooting and Auto comps only . I just like buying and selling my second gun that's all, never shoot the thing, now my lads got it I am stumped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twitchynik Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) It’s £50 and it’s so I can keep an eye on my taxi fare home. But it does shoot flat though, as you found out, as does my old, now my sons 682 you borrowed, after you stopped shooting at the floor blasting the **** out of plastic wads and started shooting at the clays. I mean even if it was a high shooting gun you don’t shoot at the floor, what were you hoping for ricochets and old plastic wads to fly up and smash the clay. Can a gun shoot high or flat or low? Doesn't it "shoot" where you point it? The shot always comes out the end the same way? Edited January 26, 2012 by twitchynik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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