stugun Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Hi all, help please, im after a good reasonably small long life battery for my Pigeon Magnet!!! any advice??? regards Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I think you will struggle for a small one with a long life you really need a 17amp/hr battery , which are much lighter and smaller than a car battery but still not what I would call small Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hi all, help please, im after a good reasonably small long life battery for my Pigeon Magnet!!! any advice??? regards Stu Contact Webber, the battery expert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) A magnet uses aproximately 2 amps per hour with real birds, less if you use say Hypeflaps, so a 17 amp battery will give you 8.5 hrs using those numbers. I personally use 15 amp electric wheelchair batteries giving me an hour less use time but saves almost 1.5kg's in weight over a 17 amp battery. Another option is to use smaller batteries like a 7amp knowing you will need to walk back to the car to change them over. And the lightest smallest and by far the most expensive route is to use lithium batteries. You can use the same maths to work out what you need regards usage time but they are much more expensive. Hope this helps Cos Edited February 10, 2012 by Cosd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al69ec Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 My mate uses a motor bike battery, very light and runs forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugun Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 A magnet uses aproximately 2 amps per hour with real birds, less if you use say Hypeflaps, so a 17 amp battery will give you 8.5 hrs using those numbers. I personally use 15 amp electric wheelchair batteries giving me an hour less use time but saves almost 1.5kg's in weight over a 17 amp battery. Another option is to use smaller batteries like a 7amp knowing you will need to walk back to the car to change them over. And the lightest smallest and by far the most expensive route is to use lithium batteries. You can use the same maths to work out what you need regards usage time but they are much more expensive. Hope this helps Cos Hi cos, thanks very much for your detailed advice, many thanks to all replys!!!! regards Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosswaters Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 My mate uses a motor bike battery, very light and runs forever What amp/hr is it mate cos I'm hugging a 17amp/hr battery about and it's a heavy bit to carry if you're got some distant to travel over wet heavy ground. Was thinking to go for a 7amp/hr battery but this is very limited to time working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike525steel Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 How long do you want to go shooting for?? I use a 10ah deben tracer lampoon pack It works for around 5/6 hours easy and it means I don't have to buy battery's for separate uses. ( lamping and pigeon shooting) Either that or ask an electrician for old fire alarm battery's A lot of the time they are about 4 ah 12v and up. You could wire 2 up in parallel These battery's are usually changed as a matter of caution after 3 years having never done any work and will give you plenty of use before thy are ready for the bin Just get a charger out of maplins or use an old panel or power supply.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Adding to the above about old fire alarm batteries, you'll find these and similar at your local tip/recycling centre which should have a point for dumping old batteries. There's a cage pallet full at ours and there always some 12 volt dry cell ones in there. I helped myself to one once (having asked one of the site staff) charged it and it was fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnmiss Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 If you've got room for it a leisure battery from a caravan is one of the best options you could go for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Adding to the above about old fire alarm batteries, you'll find these and similar at your local tip/recycling centre which should have a point for dumping old batteries. There's a cage pallet full at ours and there always some 12 volt dry cell ones in there. I helped myself to one once (having asked one of the site staff) charged it and it was fine i do this too, got a huge BMW battery, use it for the horse fence or jumping the car, just take a multimeter along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jez28 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Motorbike battery all the way, retains its charge very well and not to heavy Edited February 27, 2012 by jez28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 If it is advise for batteries you are after, speak with Webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Contact Webber, the battery expert If it is advise for batteries you are after, speak with Webber Are you on commission ? Edited February 27, 2012 by TaxiDriver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Gents I can confirm that Bakerboy is not on commission; he is however a very satisfied customer. I receive many enquiries from PW members for batteries. I appreciate that the cost of postage can be prohibitive, but when you consider your time and the cost of running a car, £13 for postage inc vat for 2 off 7Ah batteries delivered next working day, signed for isn't bad. I sell Yuasa batteries, their specification and quality tends to be far higher than many of the batteries sold in some gun shops, on line, and in many of the establishments frequently mentioned on PW when posts such as this one crops up. The average shooter has no way of knowing if he is buying a quality battery or not. Batteries of the same claimed capacity look very similar, and you can't see inside. Weight is a good indicator of how much lead has been used to construct the battery. Many security companies buy the cheapest battery that they can get their hands on, afterall, it only has to last a little over 12 months to see it outside the warranty period, when it fails they sell another cheap battery. The Yuasa product that I sell has a 5 year life expectancy if correctly maintained, sadly few shooters, often myself, fail to look after their batteries correctly. Lead acid batteries should NOT be fully discharged prior to charging. They SHOULD BE tricle charged with the appropriate charger as soon as possible after use, and then charged prior to use. Many batteries are ruined by shooters who utilise completeley the wrong type of charger, and or cook the battery by charging at too high a current for too long a time. If the battery case has bulged you've cooked it. I sell high quality batteries to shooters at budget prices. I do my best, but can't promise to always be the cheapest; but cheapest is very rarely the best. webber Edited February 28, 2012 by webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) When I was looking to buy new batteries, Webber gave me a lot of useful advice, frank and honest, at times could have talked himself out of a sale. The batteries I purchased, and the information I received have stood the test of time. Edited February 28, 2012 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Gents I can confirm that Bakerboy is not on commission; he is however a very satisfied customer. I receive many enquiries from PW members for batteries. I appreciate that the cost of postage can be prohibitive, but when you consider your time and the cost of running a car, £13 for postage inc vat for 2 off 7Ah batteries delivered next working day, signed for isn't bad. I sell Yuasa batteries, their specification and quality tends to be far higher than many of the batteries sold in some gun shops, on line, and in many of the establishments frequently mentioned on PW when posts such as this one crops up. The average shooter has no way of knowing if he is buying a quality battery or not. Batteries of the same claimed capacity look very similar, and you can't see inside. Weight is a good indicator of how much lead has been used to construct the battery. Many security companies buy the cheapest battery that they can get their hands on, afterall, it only has to last a little over 12 months to see it outside the warranty period, when it fails they sell another cheap battery. The Yuasa product that I sell has a 5 year life expectancy if correctly maintained, sadly few shooters, often myself, fail to look after their batteries correctly. Lead acid batteries should NOT be fully discharged prior to charging. They SHOULD BE tricle charged with the appropriate charger as soon as possible after use, and then charged prior to use. Many batteries are ruined by shooters who utilise completeley the wrong type of charger, and or cook the battery by charging at too high a current for too long a time. If the battery case has bulged you've cooked it. I sell high quality batteries to shooters at budget prices. I do my best, but can't promise to always be the cheapest; but cheapest is very rarely the best. webber Hi Webber, That was useful info. I hope I'm not hijacking the thread as this is just as important as choosing the right battery. Can you explain a little more about "the right charger". I personally just have the transformer plug type battery charger which I got years ago along with batteries and a magnet. It is an 800ma charger. Is this OK for looking after my batteries? On Saturday I took two batteries with me and plugging one onto the magnet it was completely dead, didn't even move the magnet. I haven't tried charging it again to be fair, but presuming it wasn't just me forgetting to charge it, can they be brought back to life? I can get my hands on a very good quality charger at my cousins garage if I need to. I have about 7 batteries in total and always taken it for granted that they are OK until this happened on Saturday; One thing I have just learned reading your post was that even when you charge the battery you should charge it again before use! My charger has a red LED which lights up when battery is charged; Presuming I charged it the week before and I plug it in again the day before I go shooting, the LED will instantly light up! Should I just leave it on charge again? If so, how long for> Thanks in advance Edited February 28, 2012 by Cosd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDRsniper Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Gents I can confirm that Bakerboy is not on commission; he is however a very satisfied customer. I receive many enquiries from PW members for batteries. I appreciate that the cost of postage can be prohibitive, but when you consider your time and the cost of running a car, £13 for postage inc vat for 2 off 7Ah batteries delivered next working day, signed for isn't bad. I sell Yuasa batteries, their specification and quality tends to be far higher than many of the batteries sold in some gun shops, on line, and in many of the establishments frequently mentioned on PW when posts such as this one crops up. The average shooter has no way of knowing if he is buying a quality battery or not. Batteries of the same claimed capacity look very similar, and you can't see inside. Weight is a good indicator of how much lead has been used to construct the battery. Many security companies buy the cheapest battery that they can get their hands on, afterall, it only has to last a little over 12 months to see it outside the warranty period, when it fails they sell another cheap battery. The Yuasa product that I sell has a 5 year life expectancy if correctly maintained, sadly few shooters, often myself, fail to look after their batteries correctly. Lead acid batteries should NOT be fully discharged prior to charging. They SHOULD BE tricle charged with the appropriate charger as soon as possible after use, and then charged prior to use. Many batteries are ruined by shooters who utilise completeley the wrong type of charger, and or cook the battery by charging at too high a current for too long a time. If the battery case has bulged you've cooked it. I sell high quality batteries to shooters at budget prices. I do my best, but can't promise to always be the cheapest; but cheapest is very rarely the best. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDRsniper Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Hi Webber Is that £13 for the 2 7AH Yuasa Batteries and postage??? or just the postage? If it is batteries as well, i'll have some :good: thanks Tdrsniper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Hi Webber Is that £13 for the 2 7AH Yuasa Batteries and postage??? or just the postage? If it is batteries as well, i'll have some :good: thanks Tdrsniper I wish it was, I'd be very busy. You have PM webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Hi all, help please, im after a good reasonably small long life battery for my Pigeon Magnet!!! any advice??? regards Stu dont know what any 1 else thinks but as a caravanner howabout go to maplins 20 quid gets a solar trickle charger so u actually charge the battery as u flap,a nd there as heavy asa wet **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilo17 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Webber can you give us some advice on chargers for these type of batteries you sell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning n spaniel Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 i use a 32 amp battrie of a ride on mower,not to heavey and runs mag all day, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Webber can you give us some advice on chargers for these type of batteries you sell? The charge rate of your charger should not exceed 25% of the battery capacity. I'm happy to quote for chargers but need to know the Ah of your battery. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE MEK Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) So would optimate charger mk4 be a good choice of charger Edited July 25, 2012 by THE MEK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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