Beretta28g Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 As per the title guys, what constitutes a safe backstop for a stalking rifle? I aslways thought it was earth, but it would seem i am wrong? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 The Earth would be a good backstop for anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I would say the earth, banks of mud - although a clear background is the most important thing! I once watched a thermal image video of a line of rifles (308win) firing down a range and the fragments/ricochet directions were terrifying! A couple of fragments even came off at 120 degree angles! (i.e.- back in the direction of the shooter... Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 As per the title guys, what constitutes a safe backstop for a stalking rifle? I aslways thought it was earth, but it would seem i am wrong? Cheers who says your wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhw100 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I'd say earth was fine...although I wouldnt shoot on stony/ rock hard ground witha rim fire....they are a bit bouncy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) who says your wrong A youtube video posted on here about roe doe stalking shows trees/woods as a backstop. Something i was told NEVER to do Or is just experience? No offence meant. Edited February 12, 2012 by Beretta28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 surely it depends on a few different factors e.g. type of ground hard stoney soft flat or hilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 A youtube video posted on here about roe doe stalking shows trees/woods as a backstop. Something i was told NEVER to do quite right trees and woods arnt backstops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Theres a Video the IMHO shows that, http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/196266-todays-events/page__p__1676809__fromsearch__1#entry1676809 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Depends on the size of the tree. I've shot a few where the tree was the backstop, but we're talking serious trees here! Big old oaks that you couldn't miss if you're blind and drunk. I wouldn't use a little tiny thing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 So on the video would you say the shot was safe from what you could see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 From only watching the video I would call it a totally unacceptable backstop and an accident waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) I have stalked with John before and if the shot wasnt safe he wouldnt let you take it. BTW I would of took that shot as the backstop looks fine to me you can see the second missed shot clearely heading straight for the ground. Edited February 12, 2012 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 As I said I can only comment from watching the video but on the missed shot for instance one can clearly see the miss strike high in the trees and not the ground, god help anyone hidden from view inside the wood on such an occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 As I said I can only comment from watching the video but on the missed shot for instance one can clearly see the miss strike high in the trees and not the ground, god help anyone hidden from view inside the wood on such an occasion. For my eyes that shot was anything but high in the trees, but that is only my opinion we all have our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) there was defo a high shot in to the trees you see the blast as it cliped it and at 2.21 there is big leters saying so Edited February 13, 2012 by fruitloop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Depends, only the shooter can ***** the risk. If any doubt exists or if it takes more than a second or so to deside it isnt safe enough dont take it. Rocks often hidden can be lythal as regards the heavy centrefire clibres - bits of smashed rock can easily do a lot of harm. Sometimes something goes wrong many of us have had it happen, luckily you get a cold feeling and learn from it without any more serious consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I have shot with John a few times, doing my level 2 with him, lots of his land has huge drops behind, there is no way would he let anyone shoot unless the backstop was 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 How do I know that from the video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 These sorts of threads go nowhere. I would have full confidence in the gentleman who posted the video's ability to decide if it was safe. If we say the deer was 50m away and the POI was 1 meter from the ground at that difference the bullet would hit the ground in a perfectly flat field in about 370m, assuming using the 6.5X55 estate rifle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 If you are not sure if its safe , then dont take the shot ,easy as . Daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 A hoose would do,but not if its made with straw.Not sure about a mud one,but a ply hoose would be fine because its well cabable of stopping a .177 pellet at 100 yards.And i would wait till the deer is lined up with a knot in the ply and that would be doubly ok dokey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 How do I know that from the video? You know its an unsafe backstop from the video but you dont know what from the video?You either know 100% all aboot the video by watching it or else you presume and speak pure keech after watching the video.Which one please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_s Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 These sorts of threads go nowhere. I would have full confidence in the gentleman who posted the video's ability to decide if it was safe. If we say the deer was 50m away and the POI was 1 meter from the ground at that difference the bullet would hit the ground in a perfectly flat field in about 370m, assuming using the 6.5X55 estate rifle! Sorry to hijack the thread but would you say that's acceptable Apache. Hitting the ground 370m away. All my permission is flat and I'm maybe overly cautious about backstops. That maybe one reason I still haven't applied for FAC yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Sorry to hijack the thread but would you say that's acceptable Apache. Hitting the ground 370m away. All my permission is flat and I'm maybe overly cautious about backstops. That maybe one reason I still haven't applied for FAC yet. It depends. If I was in a perfectly flat field and could see half a mile then yes I'd say the trajectory drop of the bullet was adequate. If there was a house 400m away then no! Each situation is different and if it feels wrong then don't pull the trigger. A nice rising bank of soft earth is ideal but not always possible. Have a play with a ballistics programme - Hawke BRC is free and lets you play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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