m3vert Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Followed this one on BBC news website. Seems to be a very sad state of affairs indeed! From what I can make of it some of the farmers employees abused the pigs and it was filmed by an animal rights group who were working undercover who then went public with their film. Farmer seemed to be truly gutted about what had gone on and now sadly he has taken his own life :( You wonder if these things can be handled better? Was he aware of the abuse and done nothing? If he wasnt aware surely the animal rights worker should have done the right thing and raised the abuse with the farmer so he could have dealt with it rather than continueing filming just so it can be handed over to the authorities?? Either way very sad indeed and poor guy has taken his own life:( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-17404304 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I have also been watching this it was only a few nights ago that it was reported he had had his buildings burnt down !!!!!! sad that he shot himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 this is a sore topic for us norfolk boys . the video was taken by animal "welfare " groups but was also egging his mate on , so its being investigated in detail . sad sad day for the family , as he was a loverly bloke by all accounts and did not know about the abuse and was too ashamed to face it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I heard him talking on Farming today a few weeks back. Thats very sad news indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I think the animal rights (if you can actually call these clowns that)need to be pulled up for their actions on this I reallly do! If you witness abuse and film it why is there a requirement to continue the filming for 2 months? They filmed for 2 months and allowed abuse to continue during that time? If they had raised their concerns after day 1 this could probably all have been prevented!! Nothing can bring this poor man back to his family! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 One day it will dawn on the 'powers that be' that animal rights activists (some of them anyway) are anarchic and very dangerous people.I would seriously ask the question of whether or not the worst of these people should be called animal rights terrorists and certainly they should be treated accordingly. Death threats, paint attacks, harrassment etc. Its clear this farmer died as a result of their desire to publish and gain a greater impact, one that has killed someone. Time the police decided to find these people and as a minimum apply for tagging orders and asbo's. The dark and deeply serious aspect of this is they dont reform, its like untreated drug addiction - it just gets worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 The cynical side of me says that the reason they went on filming for longer is that it made for a greater impact. I fully agree with Kes on this, these people are scum and extremists. By all means demonstrate, it's your democratic right to do so but when the attacks that we have seen at Huntingdon Life Sciences etc go on, the whole lot should be arrested and thrown into jail. I do not believe in unnecessary animal cruelty but if a drug tested on animals is going to save a life of a loved one, i defy anyone in any animal rights group not to allow its use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Surely in the eyes of the law they are as guilty as the person doing it as they did nothing to stop it and if the tape proves the mole was geeing his mate on then he should face the full force of the law. There is no room for animal cruelty but the authorities etc would have to go through reems and reems of paperwork to get an authorisation to film MOPs like this yet these **** get away with it and just carry on. I hope he enjoys having a death on his mind.......on second thoughts he probably does. Even though the farmer pulled the trigger those ****** drove him there. RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I know a couple of REAL animal rights supporters and they're as appalled as the rest of us, how could anyone who supposedly loves animals just stand there day after day watching? Answer: they wouldn't. I hope they are brought to account, but you just know they won't be. And as for having a conscience I'm sure they'll justify his death in their twisted little minds. I think the terrorist tag is spot on, the mentality is just the same, lock on to a 'cause' so you can justify violence and intimidation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Sad thing is there is no way any of this animal people going to be prosecutet for what they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 One day it will dawn on the 'powers that be' that animal rights activists (some of them anyway) are anarchic and very dangerous people.I would seriously ask the question of whether or not the worst of these people should be called animal rights terrorists and certainly they should be treated accordingly. Death threats, paint attacks, harrassment etc. Its clear this farmer died as a result of their desire to publish and gain a greater impact, one that has killed someone. Time the police decided to find these people and as a minimum apply for tagging orders and asbo's. The dark and deeply serious aspect of this is they dont reform, its like untreated drug addiction - it just gets worse. It wasn't that long ago that a farmer (was it guinea pigs??) had his mothers corpse exhumed and stolen by 'animal rights' extremists who photographed it and sent him the pics. Awful. Whilst its easy to bash all animal rights campaigners I think we should remember that most are of the peaceful variety and whilst I wouldn't give most of the them the steam off my **** they have brought about some positive changes by raising awareness of stock welfare and standards being improved as a result. I feel that they are not as relevant as they were in the 70's and 80's when things were much worse. They have done their bit, its now time for them to pack it in, go back to their yurts and carry on eating mung beans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftycarper Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 This is quite a sad story, in my opinion this guy knew nowt of what was going on. Filming is fine for a short period i would say an hour is enough, lets face it if these animal rights people had any feelings or emotions towards ill treatment of animals or anything really then you would be physically sick to see abuse being carried out. Truth of the matter, well they are far worse than the abusers for not stopping the act sooner and a good man has had his reputation ruined and taken his own life which in their eyes is goal acheived. Thats it really these scumbags should be dealt with as terrorists we have had all sorts of late, paintings,harrasment, threats of and actual violence,bombings, even a old ladys body removed from a family crypt if i remember rightly(guinnie pigs) the guy who was de-capitated by the rotors as well and also the staff based at research centres victimised, the list is endless...they truly are scum and the lowest of the low, benefit scrounging low life scum......my thoughts are with his family right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I have just gone onto their bloody website and read the report they produced on the farm! If what is written is to be believed there was indeed shortcummings on the farm HOWEVER at not one single point does the writer/reporter/******* mention the owner of the farm Stephen Brown being present to witness ANY of the abuse! Not once!!!! He repeats the name Geoff being his co-worker as being the evil sounding **** who kills the pigs and treats them very badly. Granted the owner should have a handle on whats going on but in no way can the owner be held accountable for a phsyco who walks around clubbing pigs to death and cutting them with knives etc. It also is beyond me how a supposed animal rights activist (although these guys seem to want us all to become vegans like them) watched this illegal cruelty and at no point in his report does he mention discussing these acts with the owner! They are as guilty as this geoff character if you ask me! I will be emailing these nutters at info@animalequality.net and will ask for the reasons that the report was not stopped earlier when they had enough evidence rather than allowing this to continue! I will also ask if they are now satisfied that a family man has now ended his life as a result of their pathetic undercover work! they should be ashamed of themselves but I doubt they will be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 it seems the guys beating the pigs caused the farmers death, if the farmer did not know about this his staff really let him down big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 People hear animal rights and they think well they must be good people,little do they know the damage these people cause, not only to property but to people lives.... Feel so sad that this poor man was drove to this..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) oops my bad language in my earlier post just got me in trouble with the mods! Seems I am now on a final written! Sorry guys just got a bit hacked off with theses clowns and got carried away! I didnt think the words used were likely to cause offence on here but obviously I was wrong. Just to clarify I presume you dont get in trouble of you use a word that the filter turns into **** but if you use something that isnt in the filter and you get picked up by the Mods I guess thats when the trouble starts? Reason I ask is that LOADS seem to have posts with ***** in it and guess they aint nearly being suspended? Not trying to cause agro simply trying to work out whats allowed and whats not? Edited March 17, 2012 by m3vert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 without sounding pompous , please be respectful on this topic , the family is in a shooting community (believe it or not , norfolk has the internet) and really wouldnt want to hear fellow shooters sounding off on a public forum . its still a on going case in the police hands . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricko Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Very sad. Farming in the UK has enough problems without this approach from the so-called Animal Rights lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 well lets be honest if his staff had been sane and not let this poor bloke down so badly the animal rights people would not have been able to have anything on the farmer that could cause him to do this. i think this guy geoff has a lot to answer for, his and his co workers actions drove this man to suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 silpig5 I think to be fair everyone so far has been respectful to the man involved. He seems to have everyone on heres sympathy so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I am surprised how many posters on this thread are spitting bile at the undercover activist who exposed the awful practices at the farm. He went in and collected evidence of horrible abuse of intelligent animals, something that we, as hunters, strive to avoid and condemn roundly and piously. Do you all believe that this is the only farm it happens on ? I don't, and if it takes an undercover cameraman to draw attention to the fact then that's fine by me. The comments that the cameraman was worse than the people actually abusing the animals are laughable. It's sad that a man has taken his own life, and my thoughts are with his family, but I fail to see how that can be blamed on an investigator who set out to stop awful animal abuse. If anyone wants to throw stones then maybe they should look in the direction of the supermarkets, and by implication the customers, who force farm gate prices down to levels where farmers can't afford to provide even the most basic necessities for their animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I tracked down the "rights" group on the net to see what they had to say about the poor farmer's tragic death. I clicked a link to a pig abuse video. Believe me it is not for the squeamish. However, it was in Spain, but the cruelty was the most wicked and sadistic you could imagine. Somehow there has to be a way for such cruelty to be exposed. We know it goes on but why isn't it the duly appointed law enforcers doing the job rather than self appointed activists who often seem to be provoking the cruelty in their campaign against meat farming in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) I am surprised how many posters on this thread are spitting bile at the undercover activist who exposed the awful practices at the farm. He went in and collected evidence of horrible abuse of intelligent animals, something that we, as hunters, strive to avoid and condemn roundly and piously. Do you all believe that this is the only farm it happens on ? I don't, and if it takes an undercover cameraman to draw attention to the fact then that's fine by me. The comments that the cameraman was worse than the people actually abusing the animals are laughable. It's sad that a man has taken his own life, and my thoughts are with his family, but I fail to see how that can be blamed on an investigator who set out to stop awful animal abuse. If anyone wants to throw stones then maybe they should look in the direction of the supermarkets, and by implication the customers, who force farm gate prices down to levels where farmers can't afford to provide even the most basic necessities for their animals. I could not have put it better myself. Edited March 17, 2012 by bedwards1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 the abusers are to blame this man was probably heading to prison for his negligence for not knowing what was happening on his farm and lets face it when people saw that film life was not going to be good for him inside or out. so ending it all was probably what he thought was his best option as even if he had avoided jail his fines and legal costs where probably going to cost him his farm. very sad state of affairs all round. lets hope his life is not wasted and other pig farmers learn a lesson here and check what there staff are up to. lets remember there's a big difference, hunting your dinner is a world away from abusing animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I find it difficult to believe that a farmer wouldn't know what was happening on his own farm. They're not stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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