scimitar Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 I don't get what you are saying. I got what he was saying, I believe he thought it was my opinion that the Quebecois were against change whereas it was the senates opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 yProblem with the law was it was virtually unenforceable and when it first came into law it had a registration fee attached which.hammered people who already owned long guns. There were that many conditions and amnesty periods the law became unworkable. The main problem out west in.terms of gun.crime seemed to be guns coming from the states and south America. Apologies typing on phone. Just my opinion the way I saw it living there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Yes (maybe taxi drivers should have a little more scrutiny!!) KW Why taxi drivers? Why not builders, social workers, clerks and bakers for example then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scimitar Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Why taxi drivers? Why not builders, social workers, clerks and bakers for example then? Think its meant to be taken lighthearted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogone Posted April 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Didn't mean to cause controversy with post. I thought gun owners everywhere understood that that once a person is cleared to own firearms (as we are with a poss. ad aqisition lic.) it should not matter what or how many he has.Legal for one, legal for all. As a side comment ; about 100,000 canadians died to save your ***** or you would be speaking German. The guns they learned to shoot with back on the farms were not registered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Let's not get into the subject of military power thank you, Canada historically rather loses! However, I agree on ownership of firearms, no need for intense scrutiny, they simply need to be a non-issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 (edited) Didn't mean to cause controversy with post. I thought gun owners everywhere understood that that once a person is cleared to own firearms (as we are with a poss. ad aqisition lic.) it should not matter what or how many he has.Legal for one, legal for all. As a side comment ; about 100,000 canadians died to save your ***** or you would be speaking German. The guns they learned to shoot with back on the farms were not registered. I think it took a bit more than the Canadians to save our ***** in WW2. PS. What practical difference will the changes make.? Quote. Form your earlier post. Pistols still need registration but are quite easy to obtain anyway. Form what i read that's not the case. Edited April 6, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogone Posted April 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 I apologise for the military comments/ to many died from both countries. As for pistols; I can order one by phone or mail and have it as fast as post office can move. Or I can buy one at a gun show or store and take it home. In some cases even simpler than some american states. Of course you must have the proper licence but that is not greatly difficult. And as someone mentioned pistols with barrels shorter than 4 inches are very difficult to get.Another law needing change. Any how I feel it is quite easy. As for Quebec: they are french and we must live with them. As for practical changes it will save several hundred million dollars in administration and people will no longer be liable for criminal charges because a registration has a clerical error( which has happend frequently) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogone Posted April 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Just had another thought. Go to the website canadiangunnutz.com . This would be the canadian equvilant of pigeonwatch.co. A great view of what regular canadian gun owners think and want. plus a few nutters of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) Many yrs ago before the current requirement to log/register serial No"s on SGC I attended a clay shoot and left my Browning 2 Shot S/A in its gunslip outside the clubhouse on the provided rack along side most other shooters shotguns whist presentations etc were taking place . Picked my gun up and went home and discovered upon opening the case that it contained an AYA Yoeman , the gunslip was almost identical to mine , it looked like the AYA"s owner had just picked up the wrong case. Never managed to sort it out despite leaving details at the shoot for any returning visitors and 2 police licencing dept"s ( I was out of my force area at this clay shoot ) , would have been easier to trace today if our guns had been registered . The Browning was prone to jamming but I still miss it as they wern"t that common Firearms never left side since then . Julian Edited April 7, 2012 by Zulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Think its meant to be taken lighthearted. Christ at last someone who can read hunour into a post KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyD Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 PS. I don't think not registering firearms would work where i live. True. After all there has never been a single unregistered firearm in northern Ireland Registers affect only the people that observe the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) True. After all there has never been a single unregistered firearm in northern Ireland Registers affect only the people that observe the law. Its up to the police to deal with illegal firearms. We are talking about the registration of legal firearms i don't see the problem. I just don't think it would have being a good idea here over the last 40 years for legal firearms not to be registerd. Their will always be illegal firearms in every country. Without firearms registration it would be hard to trace who owned the firearms when incidents like the one below takes place. A 73-year-old farmer who admitted shooting a five-year-old boy in the head at a school playground near Enniskillen has been fined £5,000. Fergus Cleary of Ballydoolagh Road, Garvary, County Fermanagh, admitted maliciously wounding Darragh Somers more than two years ago. After the hearing at Omagh Crown Court, Darragh's family criticised the fine. He was shot in the back of the head as he played at St Patrick's Primary School, Mullanaskea in April 2005. Surgeons carried out two major operations to remove the .22 rifle bullet from his head Edited April 7, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogone Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I think there is some confusion over registration of the fire arm and reg. of firearm owners. After a criminal check/clearance from spouse/two references and a firearms course a person should be good to go. The fire arm does not cause the crime/a person does. No cop in this country goes to someones home regarding a crime without being prepared for the worst. Gangbangers are not recorded as being licenced or owning firearms but cops expect them to carry. I don't mind personal checks for the licence as it will weed out a few but with all the guns in N.America it is only a dream that there will be no illegal use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I think there is some confusion over registration of the fire arm and reg. of firearm owners. After a criminal check/clearance from spouse/two references and a firearms course a person should be good to go. The fire arm does not cause the crime/a person does. No cop in this country goes to someones home regarding a crime without being prepared for the worst. Gangbangers are not recorded as being licenced or owning firearms but cops expect them to carry. I don't mind personal checks for the licence as it will weed out a few but with all the guns in N.America it is only a dream that there will be no illegal use. Their are always going to be illegal firearms and criminals to use them. Its registered of legal firearms we are talking about in the example i give the police where able to trace legally owned .22 rifles in the area because they where registered. Something they would not have being able to do if it wasn't he could just of dumped the rifle. PS. You have to do a firearms course before getting a firearm. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyD Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Ordnance, the case you cited did indeed show how the registration of guns could be used in some rare instances to solve a crime. Would you also be in favour of universal finger printing and the taking dna samples from the entire population, in the hopes of making it easier to solve some crimes? How about tracking chips for everyone and cctv everywhere including in private homes and cars? Think of the crimes we could solve and maybe even prevent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogone Posted April 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Sneaky D you bring up some excellent points. Where does it end? Over here some say they have to register their dog so why not guns? Because where people live in rural areas there is no one to register your dog with. I can also drive an unregistered vehicle on private land ; whose concern is that? People here freak out at the thought of silencers on firearms;obviously we would all turn in to assassains and poachers. You can use them and it is on our list of wants also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Ordnance, the case you cited did indeed show how the registration of guns could be used in some rare instances to solve a crime. Would you also be in favour of universal finger printing and the taking dna samples from the entire population, in the hopes of making it easier to solve some crimes? How about tracking chips for everyone and cctv everywhere including in private homes and cars? Think of the crimes we could solve and maybe even prevent. No that's another debate we are talking about firearms law. All i am saying is the list of things people might want to change in the firearms laws registration is low down the list i have no problem with authorities knowing what firearms people have legally . I can see why some people might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 So as not to leave people with the impression there are no restrictions in Canada, this link is an interesting read. http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/gunlaws.htm#a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 it's an interesting point about the behaviour of people and governments in both countries. I think the sad part is that it could never happen in this country and that fact alone speaks volumes about us as a nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 I think it's great that this silly register has been scrapped in Canada. Every time this comes up people start spouting about how it would be so terrible if everyone had free access to guns? In the real world the sort of people who want that sort of access to them for the wrong reasons already have that access. I could get a handgun and ammo within 24 hours if I wanted one, it really isn't at all hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) I think it's great that this silly register has been scrapped in Canada. Every time this comes up people start spouting about how it would be so terrible if everyone had free access to guns? In the real world the sort of people who want that sort of access to them for the wrong reasons already have that access. I could get a handgun and ammo within 24 hours if I wanted one, it really isn't at all hard. I could get one within 2 minutes in my cabinet. Registered and ballistic tested something i have no problem with. I still think pistols have to be registered in Canada. Edited April 9, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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