al4x Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Interesting statement that Kudubya as certainly up to 4's it certainly does't hurt when the shot lands on you, but I have no experience first hand of larger. Is this a fact 1's damage cars or a bit of speculation or should we refrain from shooting anything skywards in case it lands on our own heads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Alex, don't bother You're wasting your time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 A few years ago the salmon fishing syndicate i was in on the river Annan there was a lake that was shot by some shooter for the duck i was in the river a couple of hundred yards away fishing they started shooting and we were getting peppered by shot and you can take it for me it bloody well hurts if it hits you on the head and you don't have a hat on.. If you had looked up and got hit in the eye you would have been in big trouble..the bailiff complained to the land owner and the shooters were stopped till after the salmon season ended.. :blink: :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Shot falling on a house and car.... is that what all the fuss is about? Grow up. It's a rant about foreign money coming in and treading on toes. Live with it. I am sure that tourism and foreign money keeps Orkney spinning. What would you have said if your kids had been playing outside when this happened and they got hit by falling shot i bet you would not be so flippant about it then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 It goes up, it has to come down. Yeah it's bad, but how many pages? Anyone actually hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 It goes up, it has to come down. Yeah it's bad, but how many pages? Anyone actually hurt? yes what goes up will come down and as to anyone being hurt ? well the point is we should all be responsable shooters no mater where and what we shoot. Pole star has it on first hand authority that these people he is speaking about are utter ****holes and have caused a lot of concern to the locals. Mungler, we all have the right to pass comments about what has been posted that is one of the points of having a forum. to make derisory comments about one person and on issues that you do not know anything about is not what PW is all about. Why dont you take a trip further north and visit the Orkneys and see what is happining for yourself. BBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Well it's before the Courts now so lets see what they make of it and how severely the accused (not guilty just yet mind you) is treated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Having met Polestar, I can vouch that he is not a 'loon.' In fact, he and others in his area have some genuinely serious problems with the aforementioned Italian guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted May 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Thanks for the comments chaps , now Mugler & Mongrel I have a question for you , HAVE YOU EVER BEEN SHOT ? DO YOU KNOW ANY ONE WHO HAS BEEN HIT BY SHOT GUN PELLETS ? . Now please take not of this ! when I was 15 years old I was beating on a shoot at West Wycombe & I was standing in cockshoots wood talking to the keeper after a drive when a person unknown fired a shot & from where I never knew !. I got hit in the stomach by a single pellet & had it not been for the fact I was wearing a thick jumper & Jacket I have no dout it would have pieced my skin because it hit me with such force it almost winded me ! . HAS THAT SUNK IN ? No ! OK here is a second case also when I was 15 but this time to a school mate , he turned up for school on monday morn with cross cuts & `stitches in his FACE ! one of these shot went right through his bottom eye lid only enter the white of his eye ! & do you know what ? he still has it there nearly 40 years later ! . Who said any thing about falling shot ? a shot taken at an angle will mark a car including the glass at 200 or 3 hundred yards & that means it will have enough energy to blind some one GET IT !!!! . Thank God I'm a LOON ! & do you know why because I am a safe shot !. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) Who said any thing about falling shot ? a shot taken at an angle will mark a car including the glass at 200 or 3 hundred yards & that means it will have enough energy to blind some one GET IT !!!! . Thank God I'm a LOON ! & do you know why because I am a safe shot !. erm come on we're talking shotguns here or are you suggesting that the safety guide of 300 yards for all shot to have fallen is wrong? energy wise you are also far off the mark. Edited May 4, 2012 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Interesting discussion about steel shot and distance here: http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=137768 The answer appears to be anywhere between 285 and 500 yards though I'd be intruiged to know if the house / car that were hit were owned by neutrals (people with no axe to grind) and if the damage was top or side on e.g. was the car damaged to the roof of the vehicle or the side and to what extent? Anyways, it's before the Courts and being followed by the press and no doubt will get another good airing on here in August The bit that gets me is that paying sportsman from outside an area or clique (be it shooting, fishing or whatever) always get it in the neck and sometimes the fact that the land owner is happy to take the money or that the tourists pump money into the local economy gets overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 It's not the content of your posts Polestar, it's the way they are delivered. Be it foreign shooters or the BASC, you always seem to have an axe to grind, and you come across as a little obsessive. I do wonder if there is so little going on up there that you have next to nothing else to concern yourself with. Just the way I see it, if that makes me a bad guy, so be it. Don't get me wrong, shot falling on people or property is a bad thing, no question, but I also agree that the Orkneys probably also need the foreign tourism and that maybe gets lost when it suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 What also gets me is the hiding behind "safety" aspect of posts like these. Mention a possible problem with safety and that's the door closer; you don't even need an injured party, evidence or a conviction apparently - they're automatically dangerous idiots who guide equally dangerous shooting foreign idiots. It may all be true but I always like to entertain myself by asking a few questions and unpacking a few wild and general allegations Please forgive me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Assuming these guys were goose shooting inland a lead BB will travel a long , long way. Its accepted that lead no 6 will travel about 250 yards so I would not be surprised a lead BB going 350 or more yards. According to D McDougal BB still has enough energy to kill a goose at over 100 yards ( in the book Goose Fever ). If they were using hevi-shot it will travel even further. But Italians - non toxic shot - the two do not equate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Is this topic more about the guides general attitude to Goose Shooting rather than a few bits of shot going astray? after all it can be assumed it was not actually the guides who fired over peoples property and could be one of the paying guests. Still wrong though and the other question may be why was they withing shooting distance of homes when surely there is many open spaces to shoot. If any guides anywhere are breaking rules set by law, BASC or any other body they should be fined and stopped from operating. I always remember reading this when I first bought a popular magazine and it sticks: The wildlife of today is not ours to dispose of as we please, we hold it in trust and must account for it to those who come after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 (edited) Is this topic more about the guides general attitude to Goose Shooting rather than a few bits of shot going astray? after all it can be assumed it was not actually the guides who fired over peoples property and could be one of the paying guests. Still wrong though and the other question may be why was they withing shooting distance of homes when surely there is many open spaces to shoot. If any guides anywhere are breaking rules set by law, BASC or any other body they should be fined and stopped from operating. I always remember reading this when I first bought a popular magazine and it sticks: The wildlife of today is not ours to dispose of as we please, we hold it in trust and must account for it to those who come after. I was on Orkney last December two lads were shooting over decoys from here facing the road 82 yards mind boggling but true cheers KW Edited May 8, 2012 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Italian guns in my area do not have a very good reputation. Shooting very large bags of duck , using electronic callers , lead cartridges and even digging through a river wall to flood their meadows without permission . Several attempts have been made to prosecute them , but they always manage to wriggle out of the charges. Its been said money is talking , but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 See this weeks Shooting Times page 8 around the regions & see it there if wish to know who ! so light the fire tonight put yout feet open your copy of the shooting times pour a wee dram & sit back & enjoy !. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted May 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 I,ll be there in november coach booked 23 places left to fill No problem fenntay but when you come please treat these islands with respect & you wont be a problem but you must remember that the northern constabulary have plenty of paddy wagons ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenntay Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 No problem fenntay but when you come please treat these islands with respect & you wont be a problem but you must remember that the northern constabulary have plenty of paddy wagons ! Italian flag on order for the bus , lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 To keep pw members who have waiting to be up dated according to a report in our local papers court reports the case against this Italian was dropped for some reason ? as soon as I can find out why through legal channels I will post it on here . The case against the other part of this Italian run guiding service for shooting on the RSPB reserve I don't think has been heard yet but I will keep you up dated . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Well it's before the Courts now so lets see what they make of it and how severely the accused (not guilty just yet mind you) is treated... Wah wah wahhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 (edited) Surely another storm in a teacup then if the case was dropped! Quelle surprise. Edited August 18, 2012 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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