The M16 guy in the bag

[four-wheel-drive]

Something that I cannot understand from what I have seen on the TV about it they say that the guy was not seen for a week before he was found. Then they show photos of the bathroom that he was found in and the whole place is covered with mould or something and they say that his body was decomposed quite badly if it had been six months then I could have understood it but seven days have I missed something ????????

Edited May 2, 2012 by four-wheel-drive

[bobt]

The heating was turned up full.

[oisin og]

The footage of the bathroom was shot after the SOCO had completed their examination and investigation.

 

I presume the residue on the bathroom walls and floor is what is left after the place has been dusted for finger prints or other trace evidence.

[kdubya]

Something that I cannot understand from what I have seen on the TV about it they say that the guy was not seen for a week before he was found. Then they show photos of the bathroom that he was found in and the whole place is covered with mould or something and they say that his body was decomposed quite badly if it had been six months then I could have understood it but seven days have I missed something ????????

 

dont take long for a body to break down, here is little happy reading

 

nature is very efficient at breaking down human corpses. Decomposition is well under way by the time burial or cremation occurs. However, the exact rate of decomposition depends to some extent on environmental conditions.

 

Decomposition in the air is twice as fast as when the body is under water and four times as fast as underground. Corpses are preserved longer when buried deeper, as long as the ground isn't waterlogged.

 

The intestines are packed with millions of micro-organisms that don't die with the person. These organisms start to break down the dead cells of the intestines, while some, especially bacteria called clostridia and coliforms, start to invade other parts of the body.

 

At the same time the body undergoes its own intrinsic breakdown under the action of enzymes and other chemicals which have been released by the dead cells. The pancreas, for example, is usually packed with digestive enzymes, and so rapidly digests itself

The decomposing tissues release green substances and gas, which make the skin green/blue and blistered, starting on the abdomen. The front of the body swells, the tongue may protrude, and fluid from the lungs oozes out of the mouth and nostrils.

 

This unpleasant sight is added to by a terrible smell as gases such as hydrogen sulphide (rotten egg smell), methane and traces of mercaptans are released. This stage is reached in temperate countries after about four to six days, much faster in the tropics and slower in cold or dry conditions.

 

oh and also a corpse left above ground is then rapidly broken down by insects and animals, including bluebottles and carrion fly maggots, followed by beetles, ants and wasps.

 

a corpse can become a moving mass of maggots within 24 hours.

Edited May 2, 2012 by kdubya

[UKPoacher]

dont take long for a body to break down, here is little happy reading

 

nature is very efficient at breaking down human corpses. Decomposition is well under way by the time burial or cremation occurs. However, the exact rate of decomposition depends to some extent on environmental conditions.

 

Decomposition in the air is twice as fast as when the body is under water and four times as fast as underground. Corpses are preserved longer when buried deeper, as long as the ground isn't waterlogged.

 

The intestines are packed with millions of micro-organisms that don't die with the person. These organisms start to break down the dead cells of the intestines, while some, especially bacteria called clostridia and coliforms, start to invade other parts of the body.

 

At the same time the body undergoes its own intrinsic breakdown under the action of enzymes and other chemicals which have been released by the dead cells. The pancreas, for example, is usually packed with digestive enzymes, and so rapidly digests itself

The decomposing tissues release green substances and gas, which make the skin green/blue and blistered, starting on the abdomen. The front of the body swells, the tongue may protrude, and fluid from the lungs oozes out of the mouth and nostrils.

 

This unpleasant sight is added to by a terrible smell as gases such as hydrogen sulphide (rotten egg smell), methane and traces of mercaptans are released. This stage is reached in temperate countries after about four to six days, much faster in the tropics and slower in cold or dry conditions.

 

oh and also a corpse left above ground is then rapidly broken down by insects and animals, including bluebottles and carrion fly maggots, followed by beetles, ants and wasps.

 

a corpse can become a moving mass of maggots within 24 hours.

 

Cadaver dogs will indicate a corpse that has been dead less then a few minutes yet do not indicate the elderly or those seriously ill. There is some immediate change in the body chemistry when a person dies.

[-Mongrel-]

dont take long for a body to break down, here is little happy reading

 

nature is very efficient at breaking down human corpses.....

 

 

Nice!

 

And yet fascinatingly informative at the same time!

[paddywack12]

dont take long for a body to break down, here is little happy reading

 

nature is very efficient at breaking down human corpses. Decomposition is well under way by the time burial or cremation occurs. However, the exact rate of decomposition depends to some extent on environmental conditions.

 

Decomposition in the air is twice as fast as when the body is under water and four times as fast as underground. Corpses are preserved longer when buried deeper, as long as the ground isn't waterlogged.

 

The intestines are packed with millions of micro-organisms that don't die with the person. These organisms start to break down the dead cells of the intestines, while some, especially bacteria called clostridia and coliforms, start to invade other parts of the body.

 

At the same time the body undergoes its own intrinsic breakdown under the action of enzymes and other chemicals which have been released by the dead cells. The pancreas, for example, is usually packed with digestive enzymes, and so rapidly digests itself

The decomposing tissues release green substances and gas, which make the skin green/blue and blistered, starting on the abdomen. The front of the body swells, the tongue may protrude, and fluid from the lungs oozes out of the mouth and nostrils.

 

This unpleasant sight is added to by a terrible smell as gases such as hydrogen sulphide (rotten egg smell), methane and traces of mercaptans are released. This stage is reached in temperate countries after about four to six days, much faster in the tropics and slower in cold or dry conditions.

 

oh and also a corpse left above ground is then rapidly broken down by insects and animals, including bluebottles and carrion fly maggots, followed by beetles, ants and wasps.

 

a corpse can become a moving mass of maggots within 24 hours.

Thanx for that info

[fortune]

Yes – A bit gruesome but that’s nature. It’s the same as how blowflies detect the shot pigeons in the summer within a couple of minutes.

Once I decoyed from under a tree on a Sunday that had been used by another gun the Friday and he had shot an incoming pigeon, which had gotten lodged on a forked branch up there. It took some time to work out that what was happening but I had the occasional maggot raining down on me. An ounce of No.6 sorted that problem out.

[UKPoacher]

The maggots on pigeons are highly regarded by anglers. They are especially large and soft. Each type of fly has its own preference for meat.

[ack-ack]

The maggots on pigeons are highly regarded by anglers. They are especially large and soft. Each type of fly has its own preference for meat.

 

Any that I hit really hard and I don't want to risk busting teeth on I spreadeagle and hang up down the end of the garden and the birds go nuts when the maggs fall out onto the floor.

[four-wheel-drive]

The thing that I did not understand was that as the guy was completely sealed in that strong bag so any bugs etc would not have been able to get out the bag probably being made of man made fibber that would not rot.

 

Also I assumed that the photo was tacked before the forensic people got there but if it was after all of the mess on the walls etc was probably that silver stuff that they use to get finger prints.

[Mungler]

Yep it was August and someone had set and left the heating on nice and high for the whole time.

 

Lots of amazing bizarre and stand alone strange coincidences eh, he must have been really unlucky....

 

..... or ****** over by someone in MI6

[kdubya]

The thing that I did not understand was that as the guy was completely sealed in that strong bag so any bugs etc would not have been able to get out the bag probably being made of man made fibber that would not rot.

 

Also I assumed that the photo was tacked before the forensic people got there but if it was after all of the mess on the walls etc was probably that silver stuff that they use to get finger prints.

 

you forget he was dead before he was put in the bag bluebottle and his mates will have been on him in before he was put in, ever left a pigeon inside a your shooting wagon? :o I have seen no mention that the corpse and bag did not have maggots?

 

KW

Edited May 3, 2012 by kdubya

[ack-ack]

The plan would never have been for him to be left in his flat in a holdall. He was all ready for transportation to a place of disposal and something must have gone wrong with the plan.

 

Doesn't explain the heating being whacked up to 11 during the summer though?

 

Unless he was done in by OAPS?

 

Thats why the bag was left - it was too heavy.

 

Were any Werthers wrappers found at the scene?

 

Reckon I've got this one wrapped up.

Edited May 3, 2012 by ack-ack

[Vince Green]

We will never know the truth in this story. he was an active gay and into bondage apparantly. If it was MI6 involved they would never have left the body to be found, thats certain. He would have been posted as missing on ops in Afganistan or somewhere, and the story would have ended there. My suspicion is some sort of bondage thing that went wrong. Gay scene stuff.

 

Bodies break down really quickly. I saw a body that had been dead about four days lying on a bed.Totally bloated. When they turned him over all the skin on his back stuck to the sheets and came off virtually intact. I pitied the undertakers that had to move him.

Edited May 4, 2012 by Vince Green