lxtav Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) Just had a a 1000 Hull Comp X delivered by the courier company from Just Cartridges (first time i have used them). Delivery driver came in the 15 minutes that I was out picking the wee man up from nursery. Came back to him returning as he had forgotted to leave a parcel for my wife he was also delivering. He handed it over and as he left said there are 4 more in the greeenhouse. Went over to find he had left the 4 slabs of cartridges in the greenhouse. While I am in the country, have good neighbours and you cannot see the greenhouse from the road as it is behind the house I have a problem with him doing that. I know we have said to him to just leave parcels either in the greenhouse or the barn, which would have been slightly better than a greenhouse, but not cartridges. It is pretty obvious fromt the box what they are and the label says "CUSTOMER MUST SHOW CERTIFICATE" and "SIG MAND" (take it this means signature mandatory for delivery). Now wondering if I should drop the courier company an E-Mail pointing this out to them. Don't want to get the driver into bother as he is young, decent guy trying hard to make a living but think he maybe needs a bit of advice regarding this. I know they don't have to be locked up and so on but just imagine the conversation as well when I phone up saying "Hello is that the police I would just like to report a 1000 shotgun cartridges have just been stolen from my unlocked greenhouse". I would imagine my FEO would be in his car coming to the house before the call was finished. Edited May 22, 2012 by lxtav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonclay Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) And now the warmer weather is here there could have been an early fireworks display :blink: Edited May 22, 2012 by Northamptonclay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 And now the warmer weather is here there could have been an early fireworks display :blink: nah, probly just alittle sweatting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) There is no law governing the safe storage of shotgun cartridges. Nor do you need to provide your SGC to buy or acquire cartridges - so they're more than welcome to ignore your email. Edited May 22, 2012 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerSim Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Whilst I may share your concern about this issue, I think, given your occupation, I might be taking advice from other quarters, before posting on a public forum. Strikes me as a whole can of worms, that may be best opened very very carefully.. ATB Sim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 There is no issue. As has been said no need to securely store shotgun carts. I showed copy of cert to buy them. I'd rather they left them than I had to go and pick them up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMcC Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I would have thanked the guy for using common sense and saving me the hassle of having to either wait for another delivery or collect them from god knows where. It would have been a bit different if you lived in a block of flats or terraced house in the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRamsay Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 There is no law governing the safe storage of shotgun cartridges. Nor do you need to provide your SGC to buy or acquire cartridges - so they're more than welcome to ignore your email. Where Do You Buy Shotgun Cartidges Without Showing Your SGC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Where Do You Buy Shotgun Cartidges Without Showing Your SGC? I've done it in the past. You'll just find that shops are reluctant to sell cartridges to people without a certificate, just for the sake of their business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Where Do You Buy Shotgun Cartidges Without Showing Your SGC? most clay shoots for one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 This is a public forum and I think it would be best for all if this post was deleted. Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 This is a public forum and I think it would be best for all if this post was deleted. Please. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twitchynik Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 This is a public forum and I think it would be best for all if this post was deleted. Please. Hit the report button, if you haven't already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) Nor do you need to provide your SGC to buy or acquire cartridges - so they're more than welcome to ignore your email. I've done it in the past. You'll just find that shops are reluctant to sell cartridges to people without a certificate, just for the sake of their business. It is against the law to sell someone shotgun cartridges without them producing a shotgun certificate. Edit to add : or show they don't need one, Edited May 22, 2012 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I bet you would still moan if he put a card through the door and said please drive 30 miles to our base to collect your consignment. Whats the problem? you have your cartridges Just cartridges have seen your certificate you could write a letter and get your mum to collect them no law broken just get out and shoot Deershooter The courier has not sold the cartridges Just cartridges have and they have seen the certificate Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 the technicality is that the courier is meant to be shown the certificate, its probably purely as JC haven't seen the original and their wording of you are meant to show the courier even if they don't ask to see it is verging on amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodpigeon100 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Would like to point out that its quite legal to sell cartridges to anyone on a shooting ground (SGC holder or not) the offence occurs if someone who is not an SGC holder removes them from the shooting ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chokemeister Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) I am at work reading this thread. Way too much information for skulls to abuse, please consider sending the thread to Grennell's Deep-Six Jug... Edited May 22, 2012 by Chokemeister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRamsay Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I've done it in the past. You'll just find that shops are reluctant to sell cartridges to people without a certificate, just for the sake of their business. Thats Because Its Against The Law, Any Shop I,ve Bought Cartridges From Have Always Asked FOR MY CERTIFICATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Thats Because Its Against The Law, Any Shop I,ve Bought Cartridges From Have Always Asked FOR MY CERTIFICATE Oh well, I got away with it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 seems the law says they have to have seen your certificate, doesn't say when or anything about copies so i'm assuming Just cartridges are covering their backs and also if Billy had used his ticket before and they recognized him then may explain it. I know I've had occasions I've not been asked as well and not always at my usual place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Nor do you need to provide your SGC to buy or acquire cartridges - so they're more than welcome to ignore your email. It is against the law to sell someone shotgun cartridges without them producing a shotgun certificate. Edit to add : or show they don't need one, Correct. It is in link to Firearms Amendment Act 1988 section 5 5 Restriction on sale of ammunition for smooth-bore guns.E+W+S.(1)This section applies to ammunition to which section 1 of the principal Act does not apply and which is capable of being used in a shot gun or in a smooth-bore gun to which that section applies. .(2)It is an offence for a person to sell any such ammunition to another person in the United Kingdom who is neither a registered firearms dealer nor a person who sells such ammunition by way of trade or business unless that other person— . (a)produces a certificate authorising him to possess a gun of a kind mentioned in subsection (1) above; or . (b )shows that he is by virtue of that Act or this Act entitled to have possession of such a gun without holding a certificate; or . (c )produces a certificate authorising another person to possess such a gun, together with that person’s written authority to purchase the ammunition on his behalf. . (3)An offence under this section shall be punishable on summary conviction with imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or both. I doubted this requirement in a previous thread and someone quoted this. This is why our gun laws are in such a mess. Sections 1(prohibited weapons and ammunition, 2 (Re-definition of exempted shot guns)& 3(Grant and renewal of shot gun certificates) of the 1988 Amendment Act are worded so that they modify the main 1968 Firearms Act. Therefore if you read the 1968 Act online it will show these modifications which makes it reasonably clear. However, for some reason section 5 doesn't amend the 1968 Act but just exists as a stand alone rule. If it did modify the 1968 Act like the other clauses it would help to keep all the requirements in one place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) Slightly more on topic... I have used JC once and the package came pretty wet on the outside. The parcel hadn't got wet between the van and my door, so I am guessing that at some stage on it's trip the courier had taken some of the boxes off of the van to shuffle the loads around and left them out in the rain? It wasn't enough of an issue to complain because the inner slab cartons seemed ok, but I don't think it is the best way to treat a consignment of shotgun cartridges Edit to add: not wanting to start a JC bashing thread, because in some circumstances I would use them again. But I don't think it is too much to hope that if there is a next time, they arrive in a carton not on the verge of falling apart. Edited May 22, 2012 by HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Correct. It is in link to Firearms Amendment Act 1988 section 5 I doubted this requirement in a previous thread and someone quoted this. Yep it was I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I wouldn't worry about it too much, yes he shouldn't have done it but it does look like he used a bit of common sense. If they were somewhere where they are likely to be found by the wrong person then it's a different matter, but if they are out of sight in your greenhouse then it's not really an issue. While I don't think it's a good thing for them to fall into the wrong hands, they aren't that dangerous by themselves and if a thief wants to steal cartridges for any reason it wouldn't be hard, I don't worry about the security of them too much. If it really bothers you then speak to him about it when you next see him and let him know your views (he possibly isn't even aware of the rules for the sale of them anyway), but I wouldn't be contacting the courier over one of their drivers trying to help out when no harm has arisen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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