Vince Green Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 A friend in America is trying to find an approx date for a Kynoch 12 bore cartridge with the ICI logo on the headstamp. I know there are some collectors out there who can give a rough date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 I bought some 12 bore 3 inch 1 shot with ICI head stamp in approx 1971, paper cased, still got a couple in my collection. Suspect they were at least 10 years old when bought. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanky Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 The ICI logo in a circle was used fron approx 1926 - 1963 so it will be difficult to date accurately from that, what is the cartridge in question, may be able to date more accurately if I you can tell me who made it and what it is called Cheers Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 The ICI logo in a circle was used fron approx 1926 - 1963 so it will be difficult to date accurately from that, what is the cartridge in question, may be able to date more accurately if I you can tell me who made it and what it is called Cheers Bob Thats good of you, thanks. Actually the real question is when did kynoch stop producing shotgun cartridges with their name on the headstamp and give it all over to Eley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) The British Cartridge Collectors Club or C.W Harding* are rich sources of information. *History of Eley Kynoch. Edited June 5, 2012 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanky Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Eley - Kynoch was on head stamp without the ICI logo until approx 1978 then it went to Eley - Eley after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 The British Cartridge Collectors Club or C.W Harding* are rich sources of information. *History of Eley Kynoch. Do you have an address or link for the British Cartridge Collectors club? every time I try to search I get the IAA Eley - Kynoch was on head stamp without the ICI logo until approx 1978 then it went to Eley - Eley after that. Thanks thats useful, didn't know it was as late as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanky Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 It is actually the United Kingdom Cartridge Club, I am a member, if you want the secretarys name and address PM me and I will let you have it, do you collect? membership is only £10 pa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveM Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 There's a CLUB for cartridge collectors? ...... Well I never;) Got a box of old paper case stuff in the shed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john12 Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 I have a box of 16 gauge,which are paper cased have smokeless stamped on them with ici stamped on the brass. Didn't think they would be as old as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanky Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 There's a CLUB for cartridge collectors? ...... Well I never;) Got a box of old paper case stuff in the shed... Have a look in your shed and let me know - might have some really good ones, I pay top prices for good stuff!!! Yes there is a cartridge collecting club, just been to one of our meetings today, bit like a car boot sale in a village hall - buy, sell and swap, came home with some good stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveM Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Have a look in your shed and let me know - might have some really good ones, I pay top prices for good stuff!!! Yes there is a cartridge collecting club, just been to one of our meetings today, bit like a car boot sale in a village hall - buy, sell and swap, came home with some good stuff Had a look in the shed..... loads of stuff! some 10G paper, eley 4,5 with Kynock brass. A box of Woods & Sons 6's. Have a few 12/10G metal cartridges, even 12 (necked down to 14) police issue metal cartriges, quite rare I'm told. PM me if you're interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzydolphin Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Any Cartridge collector from Cornwall area around? Nice to here what local Cartridges you have as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 If any of you cartridge collections happen to fire off any interesting paper cartridges ( 10, 8 and 4 bore mainly ) and maybe some 12 bore paper then i'd be interested in the spent cases for a little project of mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I have unfired paper 16 g Eley-Kynoch cases. No print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanky Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Small town/ village Ironmongers or Gunmakers are what I will pay top dollar for especially East Angia/ Norfolk ones, must be paper Roll turnover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzydolphin Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Hi . Thanks for the person who TRIED to leave a message. I think you use this site. Hopefully you will read this. Yes is the answer. Hardy Bros Alnwick Cartridges. Especially the Hotspur Keepers Cartridge, the New Hotspur and Hardy Sallinoid. And Yes to what we think you were trying to say on your message as it kept cutting in and out, TOP PRICES PAID. Thanks again. Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Hi all, im wondering what to do with some surplus cartridges ive been handed. Its a long story how they have came in to my possession so ill spare you the detail! Anyway the carts in question are Paper Eley Kynoch 12g 1oz, boxed and in good condition. I believe they were issued to the home guard for close protection purposes. I cant have them sit in my shed too long and will look to have them disposed of through other channels shortly, so my question really :- Are they collectable/worth anything to anyone before a get rid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanky Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Hi all, im wondering what to do with some surplus cartridges ive been handed. Its a long story how they have came in to my possession so ill spare you the detail! Anyway the carts in question are Paper Eley Kynoch 12g 1oz, boxed and in good condition. I believe they were issued to the home guard for close protection purposes. I cant have them sit in my shed too long and will look to have them disposed of through other channels shortly, so my question really :- Are they collectable/worth anything to anyone before a get rid? If they are plain cases with no writing on them or just the " crows foot " logo some had LG or SG on them, they are not worth anything to collectors, if they have a sensible shot size 5,6 7 etc just shoot them off and enjoy the aroma of the fired cases - something you will never forget !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) If they are plain cases with no writing on them or just the " crows foot " logo some had LG or SG on them, they are not worth anything to collectors, if they have a sensible shot size 5,6 7 etc just shoot them off and enjoy the aroma of the fired cases - something you will never forget !!!Yesssss..SMOKELESS DIAMOND powder! WARNING: IF THERE IS NO PRINT, JUST A WAR DEPT. ARROW (crow foot)......LOOK AT THE ROLLED TURN OVER. IF IT HAS A CARD WITH A HOLE IN IT, IT IS 'LETHAL BALL'. NASTY AND ILLEGAL IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE NECESSARY FAC FOR SLUG! Edited April 19, 2013 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Thanks for the replies, i did a little more homework on these bad boys and realised just what ive got my hands on, they are infact the very same as described by Floating Chamber, these have the crows foot markings on the side and I opened one up to take a look at what was inside...... Lethal..... what....... you bet! I for one will not be firing these things, and not wishing to put my FAC at risk my next question, how do I legally dispose of them? Thanks for the replies, i did a little more homework on these bad boys and realised just what ive got my hands on, they are infact the very same as described by Floating Chamber, these have the crows foot markings on the side and I opened one up to take a look at what was inside...... Lethal..... what....... you bet! I for one will not be firing these things, and not wishing to put my FAC at risk my next question, how do I legally dispose of them? Apologies for the double post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) Just take out the ball. End of problem. If you want to go further, CAREFULLY cut through the paper tube about 10mm up from the brass to reveal the propellant. (probably a dark grey disc powder.) Better still, make a nick in the tube mouth and 'peel' or unwind the paper tube with your fingers. As it tears and spirals down, the wads will be revealed and then the propellant Outdoors, lay the collected powder in a THIN trail in a safe place away from any combustible material and fire it with a spill. The capped heads can be fired in your 12 gauge with the muzzle pointed downward in a can. Cover the muzzle and can with a towel to muffle the explosion. DO NOT TRY TO POKE OUT THE CAP AND BATTERY CUP. THESE ARE NOT 209 TYPE PRIMERS. YOUR EYES ARE PRECIOUS! The battery cup in these shells is an integral part of the head and act like a rivet, holding together the tube, paper base-wad and brass. Edited April 20, 2013 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanky Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 My god - that smell !!! it is something I have never forgotten from the first day I picked up a fired case from my father when I was a small kid, and now still love to fire off those old plain paper cartridges and really old Grand Prix sitting in a pigeon hide sniffing the old cases - better than some of the stuff the kids sniff today and at least you cannot get locked up for it. Me and my mate in Lincs always have a good old chuckle when we speak about some of the cartridges we have found for our collection and the ones we shoot and sniff - trying to find the best smelling ones !!! - now that could be a new thing SHOOT AND SNIFF trying to find the best smelling cartridge - who is up for that? only rules are they must be paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 I have a unfired 12 bore all brass cartridge,its just under 3; inches long and has the name eley nobel and the no,12 on the base,on the crimped end the is a card wad with the no 8 on it,any info on it,and has it any value? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 My god - that smell !!! it is something I have never forgotten from the first day I picked up a fired case from my father when I was a small kid, and now still love to fire off those old plain paper cartridges and really old Grand Prix sitting in a pigeon hide sniffing the old cases - better than some of the stuff the kids sniff today and at least you cannot get locked up for it. Me and my mate in Lincs always have a good old chuckle when we speak about some of the cartridges we have found for our collection and the ones we shoot and sniff - trying to find the best smelling ones !!! - now that could be a new thing SHOOT AND SNIFF trying to find the best smelling cartridge - who is up for that? only rules are they must be paper. Yup, there is something about nitroglycerine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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