Glensman Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 When I put the key to the heating position. The Glow plug relay makes a niose and vibrates. When i then turn the key to the start position she then either just clicks or all the lights on the dash go out. The starter does not engage I borrowed a glow plug relay off my cousin's F78, but it's doing the exact same with his. Any ideas? I started her on a push yesterday (no problem) but the glow plug relay was buzzing like crazy, dash lights flickering etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Sounds like it could be a dead battery or a bad battery connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) Sounds like it could be a dead battery or a bad battery connection. Battery def isn't dead. I had a good look at the terminals and they look good. There is also a second eart strap to body of the jeep... EDIT: just called dad to put a charger on the battery. That will prove that part of things for when I get home. I also put jump leads on to her yesterday, but that made no difference.... Edited July 17, 2012 by Glensman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Get someone to turn the key while you tap the starter motor with a hammer as it could be jammed.Mine was doing the same just clicking and eventually had to get a new starter motor but no trouble since touch wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Get someone to turn the key while you tap the starter motor with a hammer as it could be jammed.Mine was doing the same just clicking and eventually had to get a new starter motor but no trouble since touch wood. I have a new starter sitting on the shelf. However, this is somethin different, when in the heating postion, the dash lights are flickering and the glow plug relay is virbating and making a loud noise- this is before the point where the starter would be engaged... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 as already said sounds like a flat battery, try a different battery rather than jump / charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 and if that don't work try a jump lead from the negative terminal to a clean solid bit of metal on the engine, doing this will rule out the 'earth' leads no matter how good they look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Battery def isn't dead. I had a good look at the terminals and they look good. There is also a second eart strap to body of the jeep... EDIT: just called dad to put a charger on the battery. That will prove that part of things for when I get home. I also put jump leads on to her yesterday, but that made no difference.... Starter motor, sure as eggs are eggs. easy job to strip and clean one,hard part is getting it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88b Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 If you do change the starter make sure the replacement has the same number of teeth, Dihatsu used two different starters. A friend had her starter changed at the dealers at Chelmsford and they installed the wrong one, two days later new ring gear and starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medic1281 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I have a new starter sitting on the shelf. However, this is somethin different, when in the heating postion, the dash lights are flickering and the glow plug relay is virbating and making a loud noise- this is before the point where the starter would be engaged... Can't see how that would be a knackered starter motor. First thought is battery, dodgy earth, knackered relay or knackered glow plug/s. can't think it could be much else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) Starter motor is not knackerd, its a build up of dust that stops the bushes doing there job, strip and squirt with wd. rocking backwards and forwards in gear sometimes shift it. Edited July 17, 2012 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andypaint Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Go on eBay, you can buy the kit to repair the starter motor. Comes with new contacts and plunger. Sorted my similar starting problem with fourtrak. Also do you have an after market immobilser fitted? Might be worth looking at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 i old fourtrak was doing the same it was down to a bad earth lead on mine . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 When I put the key to the heating position. The Glow plug relay makes a niose and vibrates. When i then turn the key to the start position she then either just clicks or all the lights on the dash go out. The starter does not engage I borrowed a glow plug relay off my cousin's F78, but it's doing the exact same with his. Any ideas? I started her on a push yesterday (no problem) but the glow plug relay was buzzing like crazy, dash lights flickering etc. Sounds like you have answered your own question::: Change the RELAY its burnt out: Colin:UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted July 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Ok, im in London for a few days with work. Number one: thanks for the replies guys! I have rocked her back and forward in gear, so that's out. And I changed the glow plug relay, so that's out. I get home on friday evening, so first thing saturday morning I am going to change the starter motor to see if that makes a difference. The next step will be to change the battery. After that we'll see where we are. You don't realise how badly you need the fourtrak until she's not going!! As stated, the Earth *should* be good as there are 2 earths on her so surely one is doing it's job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Ok, im in London for a few days with work. Number one: thanks for the replies guys! I have rocked her back and forward in gear, so that's out. And I changed the glow plug relay, so that's out. I get home on friday evening, so first thing saturday morning I am going to change the starter motor to see if that makes a difference. The next step will be to change the battery. After that we'll see where we are. You don't realise how badly you need the fourtrak until she's not going!! As stated, the Earth *should* be good as there are 2 earths on her so surely one is doing it's job! Not necessarily borrow a multi meter and check them out. At leasat that way you can rule them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Ok, im in London for a few days with work. Number one: thanks for the replies guys! I have rocked her back and forward in gear, so that's out. And I changed the glow plug relay, so that's out. I get home on friday evening, so first thing saturday morning I am going to change the starter motor to see if that makes a difference. The next step will be to change the battery. After that we'll see where we are. You don't realise how badly you need the fourtrak until she's not going!! As stated, the Earth *should* be good as there are 2 earths on her so surely one is doing it's job! try the jump lead for an earth, then change the battery for a known good one, then remove starter, easy jobs first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Sounds like you have answered your own question::: Change the RELAY its burnt out: Colin:UK. nah sounds like the relay makes a connection but burning the plugs pulls to much power and so the relay drops out again, on dropping out there is enough power to pull it back in and so the cycle goes creating a buzzing noise, hence why i recon on dodgy battery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 nah sounds like the relay makes a connection but burning the plugs pulls to much power and so the relay drops out again, on dropping out there is enough power to pull it back in and so the cycle goes creating a buzzing noise, hence why i recon on dodgy battery A battery would be expensive. It came with a huge tractor battery, and I wouldnt want anything smaller due to all the lamping I do... Although I do have a couple of gel batteries in the garage that might be worth a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) borrow a battery off another vehicle for five mins, all you need to know is 'do i have the same problem with a different known good battery' if the symptoms stay the same then most likely not the original battery, if the symptoms change to no buzzing and slow turning over then may be the battery your using to check isn't up to the job but the original battery is therefore suspect 1 jump lead first to double check the earth lead, i know you think jump leads to another car will double check the battery but believe me after 21 years of doing this job it's not a sure thing, only takes five mins to change over edited to add I once saw a farmers son and a agri fitter trying to sort out the electronic gears on a new holland tractor, the farmers son had asked me to strip and clean the starter as it would bearly turn over to start (a 'how quick can you do it the agri guy was costing £65 / hour!!'), they had the tractors battery on charge, jump leads to another tractor and jump leads to a brand new varta battery sat on the floor, first thing i did was to change the battery for the new one which the son did not like the idea of (price, he wanted to take it back ) the tractor fired up first turn, and issues with the gearbox resolved themselves instantly . easy things first Edited July 19, 2012 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 borrow a battery off another vehicle for five mins, all you need to know is 'do i have the same problem with a different known good battery' if the symptoms stay the same then most likely not the original battery, if the symptoms change to no buzzing and slow turning over then may be the battery your using to check isn't up to the job but the original battery is therefore suspect 1 jump lead first to double check the earth lead, i know you think jump leads to another car will double check the battery but believe me after 21 years of doing this job it's not a sure thing, only takes five mins to change over edited to add I once saw a farmers son and a agri fitter trying to sort out the electronic gears on a new holland tractor, the farmers son had asked me to strip and clean the starter as it would bearly turn over to start (a 'how quick can you do it the agri guy was costing £65 / hour!!'), they had the tractors battery on charge, jump leads to another tractor and jump leads to a brand new varta battery sat on the floor, first thing i did was to change the battery for the new one which the son did not like the idea of (price, he wanted to take it back ) the tractor fired up first turn, and issues with the gearbox resolved themselves instantly . easy things first Ok. New first step is a battery! (with jump lead for Earth) 2nd step starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aauser Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Ok. New first step is a battery! (with jump lead for Earth) 2nd step starter. if you are in the aa or rac give them a call for a definative answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chancer2 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 When I put the key to the heating position. The Glow plug relay makes a niose and vibrates. When i then turn the key to the start position she then either just clicks or all the lights on the dash go out. The starter does not engage I borrowed a glow plug relay off my cousin's F78, but it's doing the exact same with his. Any ideas? I started her on a push yesterday (no problem) but the glow plug relay was buzzing like crazy, dash lights flickering etc. Starter motor on way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I feel like a clown. Went to change the battery this evening. Loose.Battery.Terminal What I don't understand is why she still did it when the jump leads were on her!! Anyway- thanks again lads for all the advice. The terminal was fully tightened- but must have stretched a wee bit over time- a quick nail hammered in and job done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 (edited) cheap an easy a better fix would be to take the bolt out and run a hack saw through the gap to open it up Edited July 20, 2012 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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