Al69ec Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 What is the need for steel shot for inland fowl? If when on your permission the chance arose for a duck or goose inland and you weren't loaded with steel, would you take the shot or let them pass on by? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 pass by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesneale89 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 you would you have to let them pass on by, in england and wales you have to you non toxic shot for all wildfowl , even on estates where your shooting partridge etc you have to have non toxic for the ducks if there is any, but in scotland you can use lead inland over decoys , does this clear things up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al69ec Posted July 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 What if your shoot won't allow plastic wad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Gamebore make a non toxic fibre wad cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Or bismouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) . Edited July 31, 2012 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Or bismouth Factory bismuth are plastic wad, unless you load your own. As mentioned above, gamebore have a non toxic cartridge with a fiber shot cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 What is the need for steel shot for inland fowl? If when on your permission the chance arose for a duck or goose inland and you weren't loaded with steel, would you take the shot or let them pass on by? I'd let them pass, the law is the law and you never know who is watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I'd let them pass, the law is the law and you never know who is watching. yup, if i recolect, there was a chap who was fined for shooting wildfowl with lead. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-13408867 the fine was £100. with the new expensive & better nontoxics about, it actually is cheaper to get fined for using lead shot every outing. silly eh. think some of the new niceshot / nontoxics chime in at £60 for a standard 32g load (x25). i`m far from encouraging lead to be used on waterfowl, but when the alternates are more expensive than being fined. so much for an "economical replacement" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 you can apply that to car tax though cookoff, fundamentally its illegal we don't do it and beware online of people asking the question. Just look at the lead shot argument and the research done by BASC where there has been a major own goal by some shooters claiming not to bother with non toxic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al69ec Posted July 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Is it true that a non steel proofed gun under 20 years Old is suitable for using steel shot provided it does not have to much choke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Is it true that a non steel proofed gun under 20 years Old is suitable for using steel shot provided it does not have to much choke? Only up to a certain shot size and load weight. Others on here know more about it than me so no doubt will fill in the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Any gun that is nitro proof tested can shoot standard steel loads up to 32g in weight, provided the choke is no tighter than half and the shot size is no.4 or smaller. Some manufactureres (gamebore included) have developed smaller size steel shot that is suitable for any choke. This is mainly the clay loads though, which are unsuitable for live quary. Steel is classed as high performance if the shot size is no.3 or larger. A gun must be proof tested to 1370bar to safely use HP steel cartridges. There is some good info re: steel shot on BASC's website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Factory bismuth are plastic wad, unless you load your own. As mentioned above, gamebore have a non toxic cartridge with a fiber shot cup. are they realy? thats daft as most game shoots want fibre now do they not? its soft enough so why on earth load them in plastic shot cups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Any gun that is nitro proof tested can shoot standard steel loads up to 32g in weight, provided the choke is no tighter than half and the shot size is no.4 or smaller. Some manufactureres (gamebore included) have developed smaller size steel shot that is suitable for any choke. This is mainly the clay loads though, which are unsuitable for live quary. Steel is classed as high performance if the shot size is no.3 or larger. A gun must be proof tested to 1370bar to safely use HP steel cartridges. There is some good info re: steel shot on BASC's website Provided the chambers are 23/4" (70mm) or more - this purely because no shorter cartridges are made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Provided the chambers are 23/4" (70mm) or more - this purely because no shorter cartridges are made. As he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) are they realy? thats daft as most game shoots want fibre now do they not? its soft enough so why on earth load them in plastic shot cups Eley do Bismuth in felt wad, its the new Evo Range. Edited July 31, 2012 by shakin stevens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 you can apply that to car tax though cookoff, fundamentally its illegal we don't do it and beware online of people asking the question. Just look at the lead shot argument and the research done by BASC where there has been a major own goal by some shooters claiming not to bother with non toxic yeah, although i`m a good boy and reload nontoxic. i`ve even been in shops where customer asked for goose cartridges, and got handed lead #2s. i pointed out that it is illegal. only to be told to "F-0ff you ****". but what do i know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Indeed try buying non toxic for ducks round here its far from easy and very limited choice, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Indeed try buying non toxic for ducks round here its far from easy and very limited choice, so very very true. i once tried to buy some nontoxic 12gauge loads. i was told the minimum order i had to put in was for 5000 rounds. there is no way i could afford that ! bought a reloader instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al69ec Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Think I'll invest in some bismuth if that's what you recommend for non steel proofed guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Shoot it with lead shot ........cos I live in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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