Crayfish licence denied because there are too many non-native.

[Bleeh]

Yeah, that's pretty much it, I applied for a license for drop-nets only

 

The guy on the phone said that there current opinion is deny every license application for anything that isn't protecting commercial interests, his reasons where:

 

1.) When you Trap, you only catch mostly the big males, letting all the scrawny ones get a chance to mate, ending with a population explosion. This only really happens once the population is above a certain size (I.e the current population, hence the title)

 

2.) People trap and then move them closer to home for more trapping there, I asked why someone would do something this illegal get a license in the first place, but he didn't have any sort of answer.

 

3.) There are apparently Whiteclaw at the very far north of the Waveney, what he didn't mention (and I happen to know) is they are not part of the Waveney river but in nearby 'Arks' (i.e ponds) that firstly don't live anywhere close too, and secondly are not really connected to the river.

 

4.) He didn't want anyone to see me trapping and decide to take it up.

 

 

 

Well, that's a bit of a pain, no crayfish supper for me.

 

 

 

Andrew

Edited August 10, 2012 by Bleeh

[Teal]

I imagine you can still use a string line, with multiple lines out you would be surprised at how many you can catch.

[HDAV]

From what I read some time ago you need a liscence For unattended nets......

Edited August 10, 2012 by HDAV

[Bleeh]

I imagine you can still use a string line, with multiple lines out you would be surprised at how many you can catch.

 

Yeah, but It would have to be on a Rod and line, so I'd have to get a rod licence. It's a small moan but it's still a bit 'meh', I'm more annoyed because I've already made the drop-nets.

 

 

HDVA, you need a license to remove Crayfish any other way apart from Rod and line (and picking them out by hand). It's a common false rumor that you can attend net's and not need a license.

[Vermincinerator]

Bleeh,

I am a little confused here mate, if it is as alleged that out rivers and canals are heavily populated with invasive signal crayfish, then surely it is desirable to get rid of them.

I do believe native species are protected by law so how come all the red tape, i does not make sense.

 

Ian.

Edited August 10, 2012 by Vermincinerator

[HDAV]

Bleeh,

I am a little confused here mate, if it is as alleged that out rivers and canals are heavily populated with invasive signal crayfish, then surely it is desirable to get rid of them.

I do believe native species are protected by law so how come all the red tape, i does not make sense.

 

Ian.

 

http://www.buglife.o...s trapping help

 

The EA aren't keen on people catching them some angling associations have tried in vain to rid stretches of water of them removing tonnes a year and making little impact....

 

“The river has definitely been fishing steadily better as the fish return following the removal of tons (and I do mean tons) of crayfish by our now local trapper Martin Cooper. In one 200 yard stretch he cleared 3.4 tons of the not so little nippers!” Bailiff Godalming Anglers Association 2004

http://www.weyriver.co.uk/theriver/wildlife_5_fish.htm

Edited August 10, 2012 by HDAV

[pegasus bridge]

That's exactly the response I got last year from my local lot.

[Teal]

Yeah, but It would have to be on a Rod and line, so I'd have to get a rod licence. It's a small moan but it's still a bit 'meh', I'm more annoyed because I've already made the drop-nets.

 

HDVA, you need a license to remove Crayfish any other way apart from Rod and line (and picking them out by hand). It's a common false rumor that you can attend net's and not need a license.

 

Why would you need a rod? You just trail the string onto the bank, and when you see the string twitching you lift it up and pop the crayfish on the bank.

[Bleeh]

Why would you need a rod? You just trail the string onto the bank, and when you see the string twitching you lift it up and pop the crayfish on the bank.

 

As far as my understanding, if you want to remove Crayfish any other way that using a Rod and line or using your hands, you have to apply for a license from the EA (Hence why it's called the ''License to remove crayfish using methods other Rod and line'').

 

I'm 99% sure I'm correct on this matter, but to be honest it's such a grey area only a few people seem to know what's going on, there's a lot of option presented as fact and the best people to ask is the EA. I don't think you'd get in any sort of real trouble doing it, but I still don't believe it's legal.

[bakerboy]

I am still a firm believer that as long as the nets are attended you do not need a licence.

We have licences anyway, but just take a kid along with you and all will be well, drop nets and kids look relly harmless.

The local bailiffs around my neck of the woods encourage you to catch as many as possible.

 

I think some one is making a mountain out of a mole hill and stopping you enjoying yourself. Come down with me next week (Friday) and have some sport.

[Bleeh]

I am still a firm believer that as long as the nets are attended you do not need a licence.

We have licences anyway, but just take a kid along with you and all will be well, drop nets and kids look relly harmless.

The local bailiffs around my neck of the woods encourage you to catch as many as possible.

 

I think some one is making a mountain out of a mole hill and stopping you enjoying yourself. Come down with me next week (Friday) and have some sport.

 

 

That's a hell of an offer and I'd love to, I can't do next Friday but keep me informed and hopefully something will work itself out!

 

 

You are a top bloke.

[bakerboy]

give me some dates when you are available, and away we go.

[Bleeh]

give me some dates when you are available, and away we go.

 

 

Let me see if I can find someone willing to split the petrol, and then I'll get hold of you.

[Mungler]

On a day like today it would be a cracker for the kids.

 

What's the penalty for getting caught lifting invasive crayfish without a license and how often are you stopped - if the fine is £50 and you get stopped once in every ten trips out.

 

That's a fiver a pop - bargain!

 

Could couldn't get a single crayfish sarny round here for less than that!

 

Terry let me know when you're next out - I have no interest in fishing but the kids would love a trip down to a river on a sunny day and a pub lunch. They have an attention span of 15 minutes... Not unlike their father.

[bakerboy]

I am out next Friday with my grandson, Zapp and his two boys and "Billy" our adopted Grandson, another Pigeon watch first.

I have enough nets to keep all the kids amused for a long time. All we need are bits of rabbit (the best bait) or any out of date raw meat or fish.

If next Friday is a no go give me some dates and we can go from there, as a pensioner I can do almost any day.

 

The venue is 10 minutes off the A10 just before Hertford turnoff. I can PM the exact location when ever you want it.

The more the merrier, I will have clicker counters at the ready.

[Mungler]

Job jobbed

[Tug]

Have you submitted a written request? One of the best ways of filtering/reducing workload is to ward people off on the phone. If it's a written application it will be logged and replied to so less likely to fall victim to muppet policies.

[Bleeh]

Have you submitted a written request? One of the best ways of filtering/reducing workload is to ward people off on the phone. If it's a written application it will be logged and replied to so less likely to fall victim to muppet policies.

 

Yeah it was a written application, I heard nothing after 20 days and I chased them up about it.

[Tug]

Then chase them again, if they stick to their guns ask them to confirm the outcome and reasons in writing - if they won't play ball then politely ask for their line manager and restate your request to him 'as a basic courtesy'

Make sure you stay polite and calm at all times, impolite gets you nowhere fast (although polite sometimes gets you nowhere, but it can also open doors).

I can't abide by petty beurocrats who decide that they will apply policy according to their own opinion, rather than fairly and in accordance with the regulations.

Edited August 12, 2012 by Tug

[FalconFN]

I'm afraid it may be a new policy that they are trying - ie to see at what level the population stabilises and how it compares with areas where they are regulaly trapped - which is a real pain in the backside for you. You could perhaps get round it by finding a fishing lake that has a problem with crayfish and then you would have a good economic reason to remove them. Also fishing lakes would, by their nature, have an excess of food available and therefore many more crayfish than many stretches of river.

 

I've found very few crays in the strams around me but tons of them in a fishing lake. Worth another phone call at any rate.

[wymberley]

 

as a pensioner I can do almost any day.

 

 

You should be so lucky! Please, please tell me what I'm doing wrong.

[stubby]

I too would not stop, get back on the phone to them, and ask for it in writing, tell them you want your barrister to check it over, as my searches concerning the white claw crays, came back with the info that if found, white claws are moved to non public areas to breed, as if red signals are present, they dont stand a chance

[Tug]

I too would not stop, get back on the phone to them, and ask for it in writing, tell them you want your barrister to check it over, as my searches concerning the white claw crays, came back with the info that if found, white claws are moved to non public areas to breed, as if red signals are present, they dont stand a chance

First rule of any complaint or enquiry, as soon as somebody mentions a legal professional over something minor (like a barrister over a licence application) then people stop taking them seriously. The amount of times I've been ready to go the extra mile to resolve something and the complainant has threatened to sue us, they get the bare minimum.

[bakerboy]

A good day was had by all.

 

Nickbeardo, Zapp, Bakerboy,my brother and Son in law, plus numerous kids. And to top the day, after just over 2 hours we were 350 Crayfish better off.

 

We did run into a couple of miserable old crabs on the tow path, but it did not spoil the fun.

 

6 Kids from 3 to 12 years of age all mixing together and enjoying good old fashion fun, sharing sweets etc and generally having a good time it was a joy to watch, the dads enjoyed theirselves as well of course.

 

Pete pulled a really big Crayfish out and proudly had his picture taken with it alongside Beardo who felt he contributed in the capture. perhaps Nick will put the picture up.

 

Looking forward to the next time

[vole]

They should be encouraging every man jack of us , men women and kids to go out with drop nets and traps , equipped with recipes to do what we can . Strange approach to "managing " a pest species . I might just put an application in myself .