phaedra1106 Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) As I said before the Hull Comp-X are too short to cycle properly, it's not the power it's the physical length, I bought 2000 of them and found out the hard way. They work perfectly in two's, one in the chamber and one in the mag for clay pigeon but two in the mag will jam even when cycling the action by hand. They do exactly the same in a mk2 or mk3 Escort and also in my new section 1 7+1 Escort MPA. Fibre or plastic makes no difference, I've put over 7000+ fibre wad through my original Escort without a problem (apart from the Comp-X that is!). Edited September 21, 2012 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 i thought i was loosing the plot for a second as i could have sworn they had 70mm on the side.. glad to see your second post saved me going to find out Old style Clear Pigeon with a clear case were all 65mm. New style Clear Pigeon with a black case are all 70mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 thanks for the replies regarding fibre/plas wads. i had already emailed the seller back regarding them basically the answer i got was if i want a gun thats not cartidge fussy i should have bought a more expensive gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke5339 Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Now then, i have one of the new models with the quick load system, and what i have found is that the coating inside the receiver can lift causing the slider to jam. clean it out and oil it with some thin oil. also clean the mag tube, this collects a lot of muck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 All makes of semi can be cartridge fussy, a friend has a more expensive semi and it hates certain types of cartridge. Have a search of my threads as I asked which cartridges work well in a escorts, might be worth trying a box out of the list that was suggested. Sorry can't post a direct link as pad won't allow me to do a copy & paste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) basically the answer i got was if i want a gun thats not cartidge fussy i should have bought a more expensive gun I tend to agree, did you buy privately? If you wanted an unfussy gun shouldn't have bought a semi at all...... Edited September 21, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 thanks for the replies regarding fibre/plas wads. i had already emailed the seller back regarding them basically the answer i got was if i want a gun thats not cartidge fussy i should have bought a more expensive gun Buying a more expensive gun is no guarantee of it not being cartridge fussy. Semi's can be like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 iv had 3 escorts and 2 out of the 3 were rubbish wouldnt cycle properly and rattling to bits the 1st one i bought was brilliant never had a problem. there very tempremental guns. alot love em and alot hate em. personaly i wouldnt buy another but thats just me. hope you get it sorted. rockers, mine had same probs as urs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 had an escort owner have a look at it (thanks steve_b_wales) and it looks ok.. so ill be trying some different carts in it on the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzashadow Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 plenty of motor oil i find works really well but i do mean plenty and 70mm carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 I If you wanted an unfussy gun shouldn't have bought a semi at all...... Buying a more expensive gun is no guarantee of it not being cartridge fussy. Semi's can be like that. i understand semi auto's and escorts in particular are not the best of guns and i know some owners have had issues, some major issues. i understood and accepted this before buying the gun, but should i really expect a minimum 30% failure rate, and one that is generally double that... and mix in the fact that it just went of while sitting on my lap. i dont believe so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 we had the same with a saiga 12 ,its meant to shoot any load ,well after trying many loads ,then doing some polishing well alot of polishing and changing the return spring and the gas plug ,its great ,when i got my MP24A i just found 70mm are the better cart and clean the guts well after use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Since changing cartridges not had a problem cycling, will be running out of the Hull inter comp 28g shortly and will be trying some others as the 28g's are no longer availiable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 When I bought my beretta 20g auto it was absolutely minging, thick coat of carbon/dried oil every where bolt was black as was the chamber area . I used it for a lot of shots before I cleaned it as I was bored one day and it never ever failed to cycle! Moral of this story, pay a bit more and buy a used beretta, I've had 2 now and there brilliant, you can even buy some for less than a new hatsan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Use the cartridges indicated in the handbook! Don't bitch about your semi when you're using 65-67mm carts when it's only designed for 70-76mm! If you haven't put it together right, it's also not the shotguns fault... I've owned 2 Hatsans - and seen many more owners. The worst I've seen is about one cycle failure per hundred carts... and then, it usually a cart trapped in the ejector - which happens to all semis occasionally. Mine gets used for PSG and I rarely get any stoppage - even after firing 200+ carts in a morning (and that gets it hot). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Use the cartridges indicated in the handbook! Don't bitch about your semi when you're using 65-67mm carts when it's only designed for 70-76mm! If you haven't put it together right, it's also not the shotguns fault... I've owned 2 Hatsans - and seen many more owners. The worst I've seen is about one cycle failure per hundred carts... and then, it usually a cart trapped in the ejector - which happens to all semis occasionally. Mine gets used for PSG and I rarely get any stoppage - even after firing 200+ carts in a morning (and that gets it hot). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) im not a fool, i understand that i need to use 70mm carts and if you look at my other posts youll see that my carts are 70mm 32 gramm clear pigeon, after the previous owner said to try other carts i tried quite a few only one of them was less than 70mm and i only used that as i was trying as many types of cart as i could get my hands on and the guy i was shooting with that night was using 67mm. as for put together right, thats a fair comment which is why i had someone who is a long term escort user to have a look at it and he could see no issue with it.. i just want to know why only one in three shots is loading right.. i dont think im bitching about it, think its a fair to ask the questions on here when this is happening :( Edited October 7, 2012 by kiffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) Old style Clear Pigeon with a clear case were all 65mm. New style Clear Pigeon with a black case are all 70mm. Only the fiber wad, old clear pigeon were 65mm. The plastic wad were 70mm. Iv not heard of anyone having any problems with the Armsan semi autos, might be worth a look as an alternative... Edited October 7, 2012 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 im not a fool, i understand that i need to use 70mm carts and if you look at my other posts youll see that my carts are 70mm 32 gramm clear pigeon, after the previous owner said to try other carts i tried quite a few only one of them was less than 70mm and i only used that as i was trying as many types of cart as i could get my hands on and the guy i was shooting with that night was using 67mm. as for put together right, thats a fair comment which is why i had someone who is a long term escort user to have a look at it and he could see no issue with it.. i just want to know why only one in three shots is loading right.. i dont think im bitching about it, think its a fair to ask the questions on here when this is happening :( My comment wasn't aimed at you specifically - but over the 5 pages of this thread there have been a few users complaining about it not cycling the right carts... For you, if it's only loading one in three carts - that's not unreliable - that's broken! I see you bought the gun second-hand. I suspect they sold it knowing there's an issue with it... Get it checked by an experienced gunsmith that's not a gun snob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 If it's only loading one in three carts - that's not unreliable - that's broken! I see you bought the gun second-hand. I suspect they sold it knowing there's an issue with it... Get it checked by an experienced gunsmith that's not a gun snob. Have to agree, if you tried various makes sizes and punchyness and its been cleaned and oiled, its worth having the gun checked over, might be some thing simple causing the recycling problem. I have used 67 mm cartridges in mine without promlems so far, but the general opinion is 70 mm are the prefered cartridge length. Also I found Edgar Brothers gun room were very helpful, when I wanted some help before I bought my escort, they might be able point you to whats likeyly causing your problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hi Again guys, Did write earlier on this subject: 3.5" / 3" : Obviously if you buy a 3.5" it will be a gun designed for taking longer cartridges, (Make Sense)?.. If you Buy the 3" then you can expect to put lower grain cartridges, its not rocket science: Its All about horses for courses, if you shoot just for clay shooting, buy a 3", if you want a bigger load for wildfowling don`t bitch about it not taking 24 gram cartridges, it was not designed for that low: . 3" is,, that is why you drop to 3": The Spring is designed for what you put in, STRONGER Spring in the 3.5", not so strong on a 3", Thats why it cycles Better: Wonder if changing the spring would allow you to put 24/28 in: Just a thought: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fosters1978 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I got hastan 3" magnum an had same probs as kiffy with same carts, gun at gunsmiths god knows what's wrong or how much it gunner b but I was ready for wrapping it around a tree.... It very frustrating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 fosters, can you post here and let us know how you get on, ive had the number of a fairly local gunsmith for a month or two now but had problems getting an answer and have been so busy since havent got around to trying again... i guess if id actually been able to get out and shoot the past two months id have had more of a reason to push myself to get it looked at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fosters1978 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hi kiffy I gotta ring gunsmith 2moro to find out what's goin on so will let u all know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulthekiller Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Eley First 65mm cartridges are the cheepest on the market if you want to keep with Eley go for the Olyimpic 70mm and you may find no more jams ive heard a lots of things about the Hatsan Escort Magnum 3.5" you pay for what you get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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