Harnser Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Very nice pictures of a public execution . A base ball bat would have been a better solution . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 That’s a horrible and very sad situation in the link above. Very unpleasant to watch – I wish I hadn’t clicked it. But, what was the policeman supposed to do. The dog was attacking him. You only have to look at the news from last month or so in the UK and you can see how three of four police ended up in hospital when they were attacked by a single dog – one officer may have actually lost several fingers (or close to it). Its an interesting one but here what would have happened is they would have called a dog unit and caught it with a pole before approaching its owner. Its owner was obviously in a bad way and the dog was protecting him, however it wasn't attacking randomly till they approached. Very different to the pit bull in London that was mauling policeman left right and center, in the american case they were very lucky not to shoot someone or the other policeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robl Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) Really. What about “Police let man die on floor because they were too scared of pet dog”. When question Officer Dwight said “we couldn’t approach the man on the floor because he had a dog, we called a dog team and they said they would be 10 minutes. Unfortunately the man died before they got here.” I wonder how the anti-police posters would respond to that. I think the fact is that no matter what the police do there will always be those who criticise and condemn them regardless of the facts, or whether they know the whole story, or whether they can suggest a better option. I tend to take the other tack, I support them. Unless proved in a court of law that they made a mistake or acted inappropriately, I’ll support them and trust them to do the right thing. I’ll trust that even if I’m not sure of why they did something that I know I’m not in possession of all the facts, that youtube and newspapers never give the whole story, and if a policeman thinks the best course of action is to shoot, then I’ll support their decision. I’m not against reviews or debriefings, but I just bloody hate the British media and their constant criticism of the police, because it seems rub off on otherwise decent people and we end up with crazy situations like this where the police have shot a criminal and protected the innocent civilians – and people are ignoring the guy with the knife and criticising the police. It’s like a bunch of old men in a bar after a football match whether they say how **** the players are and how much better they would have done if they had been playing. Yes. I do have strong views on this subject. Edited August 16, 2012 by Robl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Here is another one for you! Have gun, must use gun!!! They didn't exactly rush to the mans aid after shooting the dog, I thought that was the whole point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I think the fact is that no matter what the police do there will always be those who criticise and condemn them regardless of the facts, or whether they know the whole story, or whether they can suggest a better option. I just bloody hate the British media and their constant criticism of the police, because it seems rub off on otherwise decent people and we end up with crazy situations like this where the police have shot a criminal and protected the innocent civilians – and people are ignoring the guy with the knife and criticising the police. Yes. I do have strong views on this subject. There is nothing wrong with having strong views, but not every negative view of the police is media-fuelled, neither is justice always served by the courts. As any lawyer will tell you, there is a world of difference between Facts and The Truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I did not see the dog actually bite anyone in my assessment it was just trying to protect its master by frightening people away if the guy was dyeing then the dog would probably have had to be put down anyway my problem with this is why could they not have killed the dog once it had been wounded that was a bit crewel to leave it to die a slow death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 it survived apparently according to the daily mail, it could have been different with just a little thought. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2189074/The-horrific-moment-NYPD-officer-shoots-dog-crowded-city-street-shrieking-bystanders.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robl Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 What a shocking piece of journalism. A pitbull “nipped” at a bystander. The poor tragic pooch. All this just a month or so after a pitbull put 3 police in hospital in London. If that dog wasn’t shot it could have been the police and bystanders in hospital. Yet the journalist just criticise the police for dealing with the situation and appeal to the dog lovers. I suppose it is the daily mail – it’s deliberately written to cause anger. That’s what they do. I’m just baffled at the amount of anti police sentiment from some people. Do people really expect a policeman to let a dog bite him before he takes any action. Do people really believe that it was a cute little lovable poochy pitbull that was just defending it’s owner. Would anyone here really want to go up against an angry pitbull unarmed if they had a gun on their belt? (I feel like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men. I’m about to tell someone to pick up a truncheon and go and do the job themselves if they think they can do better.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Of course if you know dogs at all you would recognize that it was a situation to step back and not go in and kick its injured master. All it took was sensible handling the dog was well used to people it lived on the street what it wasn't used to was its master being ill and police going in and trying to kick him to get him to move on. By the time the dog ran at him there wasn't much other option but once again loosing off firearms in a crowded street does eventually lead to someone other than the intended getting shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 it survived apparently according to the daily mail, it could have been different with just a little thought. http://www.dailymail...bystanders.html Thanks for that I feel a bit better now I hope the dog gets a good home after all he was only doing his job defending his master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 tough wee bloody thing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrapFiller Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Sounds like a couple of sensible options. Much better than; Approach, and repeat ultimatum in an even firmer tone of voice. Add the words, "or else" (10 internet points if you can guess the film) Demolition Man. Stallione and Snipes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) Some like to call the police in America trigger happy. But then go on to justify police shootings in the UK. The video shows American police in a situation that they would have being justified in using lethal force. But they were allowed to use brains and come up with a solution without using lethal force. Something the police in the UK seem incapable of doing. http://www.youtube-n...bed/jDSwdZNbaGY Edited August 16, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 as a tax payer i wish the police would shoot more criminals then there would be less in prison and it wouldn't cost us as much in tax.......a 9mm bullet is cheaper than a 5 year prison sentence damned if they do and damned if they dont, someone with a knife in a street......fair enough, i often have a knife when going ferreting but if stopped by the police i wouldn't be waving it about and running up and down the street. cannabis is a terrible drug, it is accountable for most people in mental institutes who suffer from paranoia.......i think that may have been part of the chaps problem in the first clip..........and shooting a dog, no different to me than shooting a pigeon or rabbit, i have shot plenty of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Some like to call the police in America trigger happy. But then go on to justify police shootings in the UK. The video shows American police in a situation that they would have being justified in using lethal force. But they were allowed to use brains and come up with a solution without using lethal force. Something the police in the UK seem incapable of doing. http://www.youtube-n...bed/jDSwdZNbaGY Yeah good job they didn't use lethal force to stop him from shooting himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) Yeah good job they didn't use lethal force to stop him from shooting himself How long do you think it would of taken for him to point it at the police. The police knew that but chose to try something without shooting him if it didn't work then they could have shot him. My point a earlier post said that all American police are trigger happy. That's like saying all UK police are trigger happy after looking at one incident. All situations are different and have different options on how to deal with it. They don't seem to trust the police in England to think for them selves when training them when to use firearms. A similar shot could have being tried instead of shooting dead the barrister in London. They had nothing to lose he wasn't going anywhere if it didn't work then they could have shot him dead. Edited August 16, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 We're on a forum dedicated to hunting and killing animals, yet some get upset about a dog being shot, there has to be irony in there somewhere. Maybe it's because i'm not a dog owner that I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 We're on a forum dedicated to hunting and killing animals, yet some get upset about a dog being shot, there has to be irony in there somewhere. Maybe it's because i'm not a dog owner that I don't get it. I Don't get it either i watched the first video of the man being shot. But wouldn't watch the video of the dog being shot. I do own dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I Don't get it either i watched the first video of the man being shot. But wouldn't watch the video of the dog being shot. I do own dogs. It is kind of funny (but not in the ha ha sense) that it seems to be easier and more acceptable to see a person shot than a dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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