ordnance Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 I personally would have no desire to shoot large game in Africa. If someone dose then that's fair enough but don't try to say they do it for conservation or some other reason. Be honest they like shooting and killing animals in this case large animals. If that's what turns you on then ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Dont have a problem with it if that's what you want to do i think most people shoot because they enjoy it The number one thing on my bucket list would be to shoot a Polar Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) . Edited October 4, 2012 by wildfowler.250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 The chap who did the research is Stephen O'Brien. Some questions have been raised about his methodology and whether low genetic variation within the species leads to any population damage, but the study itself is out there if you care to look. Cheers! And thanks for all the replies! Made interesting reading. Can't you really not take an elephant or lion trophy away? Seems like madness if you are paying thousands and can't even take it to a taxidermist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) I personally would have no desire to shoot large game in Africa. If someone dose then that's fair enough but don't try to say they do it for conservation or some other reason. Be honest they like shooting and killing animals in this case large animals. If that's what turns you on then ok. Have no wish to shoot a giraffe but you can't disagree with the fact that it can spot you from a long way away and isn't it just a big antelope? Edited October 4, 2012 by wildfowler.250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster1971 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Hi wild fowler Got back from Africa a few weeks ago and had intentions of shooting myself ,but once I was there and got up close and personal there was no way I could do it . On the other hand if you are seriously thinking of going then go it is the best holiday I have ever had by far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakari Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) I went to a reception hosted by an outfitter recently, he told me that the only elephants/lions etc you could shoot these days were rogues and you werent allowed to take any part of them as a trophy, only a photo! So they get both revenue incoming (you stay have to pay big bucks to shoot a rogue), they get crop and village protection from the animal, and the village gets food and you get to shoot one of the big 5. Sounds like win win to me if your pockets are deep enough. AB Mate, whoever told you that told you a blatant lie. I can't remember where it is on the site just now but you'll find several pages that list what species can & can't be taken and trophies exported and elephant/lion can be exported/imported to/from many/most countries. It depends where you go but elephant hunting in some countries such as Zimbabwe is actually reasonably inexpensive...... other countries such as Tanzania price differently and the species is only available on long licences which ramps up the prices dramatically. Mudpattern I'm pretty cool on the dance floor huh! LOL! ..... man, if you saw how fugly I really am, you'd realise why I've had to work my **** of walking after big game for so many years instead of strutting my stuff in fancy night clubs! Edited October 5, 2012 by shakari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Hi wild fowler Got back from Africa a few weeks ago and had intentions of shooting myself I've had holidays like that. I'll get my coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 I've had holidays like that. I'll get my coat. Hee hee. I saw a 'last minute' deal pop up on some shooting site offering a lion stalk for 'only' $55,000. Makes you wonder if somewhere in the world right now the option to hunt 'the ultimate quarry' exists. I would not be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Judging by when we had the Indian High comissioner on our pheasant shoot a few years back I think in certain places "the ultimate quarry" are just seen as collateral damage. The keeper at the time did have to mention something along the lines of it may be ok where he usually shoots but beaters here didn't tollerate being shot at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakari Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) Thunderbird That would be a canned lion shoot (almost certainly) in South Africa..... I hate those things and the swine that offer them and have had a long term attempt to hammer them at every opportunity. Lion management is an extremely complicated business and my opinions don't always agree with others but canned lions & canned lion shooting has burger all to do with hunting, hunters or conservation......... Articles 17 & 19 might be of interest here: http://www.shakarico...g-articles.html Edited October 5, 2012 by shakari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Thanks, will have a look. It's of no interest to me, whether I had the 55 grand to blow on a day's shooting or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlistairB Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Mate, whoever told you that told you a blatant lie. I can't remember where it is on the site just now but you'll find several pages that list what species can & can't be taken and trophies exported and elephant/lion can be exported/imported to/from many/most countries. It was Clayton Comins from http://www.umdende.com/index.html - take it up with him, i'm only reporting what i was told when i was considering booking for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakari Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 I wasn't having a pop at you just at him for telling you such a BS piece of disinformation. There are some species that can't be hunted/imported but elephant & lion aren't amongst them and FWIW, many hunters around the world take those species on a regular basis & in most cases, ship their trophies home perfectly legally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) I wasn't having a pop at you just at him for telling you such a BS piece of disinformation. There are some species that can't be hunted/imported but elephant & lion aren't amongst them and FWIW, many hunters around the world take those species on a regular basis & in most cases, ship their trophies home perfectly legally. There are quotas on trophies iirc and certain countries have a zero quota. CITES website is the place to look. Not on lion trophies apparently. Edited October 5, 2012 by guest1957 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakari Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) The CITES website is an inefficient, unwieldy piece of rubbish and damn near impossible to navigate. You'll find full, up do date info a lot easier by looking here: http://www.shakarico...trophies.html and here: http://www.shakarico...pendices.html There are other issues for example where Oz doesn't allow import of elephant & spotted cat trophies despite CITES issuing quota and the USF&WS not issuing import permits for Mozambican elephant products despite CITES issuing quota and these issues are covered on the site as well but there are no similar issues for UK hunters that I can think of just now. Edited October 5, 2012 by shakari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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