stubby Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 for quite a number of years I like many others have seen posts asking about paying for permissions, and like those before me I've shouted "you don't pay to shoot vermin" but heres my dilema, I'm looking at buying myself a woodland, and it comes with full shooting rights, now considering the cost of the wood, is around £50,000 and you then need to keep the private access track/road in good order (more money yearly?) it sounds silly to hand out permissions free of charge, I could I suppose ask shooters to exchange a days work on the wood (log cutting,fence erection etc) in lieu of a day/week shooting pass, but then some people may not want a hands on approach, so what do others think, would a fee be reasonable, either daily or yearly, to go somewhere that you could shoot anything that moves (not people) and have a shelter, tea/coffee available, maybe even cook what you shoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I think you'll get seriously annoyed with peoples lack of respect, then have issues over clearing the wood of any quarry and really it sounds like it might only be big enough to support your own shooting. So really I'd keep it to non paying guests rather than trying to make it a financial venture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 There's a place near here with hardly anything to shoot and they charge £25-£40 a day. I much prefer the idea of a favour for a favour. i.e. someone helps you with the upkeep and you help them with free shooting. As al4x says, there are plenty of people out there with no repect for other people's property, so keep that in mind. I reckon someone who offers to help out might be a bit more respectful than someone who comes, hands over dosh and leaves your place in a right mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted October 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 yup you're right, never looked at making a business from it, but the idea of a "barter system" works well in my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 How many logs do I have to cut for a day's shooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) How many logs do I have to cut for a day's shooting? I'll keep you in mine walshie, do you have transport,insurance? air rifle/shotgun would probably give 3 month permission slips out to a few then stick with the best ones, reckon having regular shooters on the area would keep dog walkers/poachers/vandals/ at bay so to speak, maybe a days help for each month of shooting? at some point I would want to try and use felled trees to erect fences either in parts or all around, with big F* off signs saying private woodlands, keep out, shooting in progress,poisons laid on land beware etc "get orf my land", lol at some point site an old caravan there, so a day of painting it camo to blend in with surroundings/hide from nosey people, a good place to use if lamping at night? Edited October 18, 2012 by stubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 how big is the area??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Can I pay you with Crayfish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy220 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Count me in for some outdoor labour for sure have offered it to enough farmers so why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 how big is the area??? around 7 acres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Seven acres is not a lot really.It would soon be shot out even if you were going by yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s.wray Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 yup you're right, never looked at making a business from it, but the idea of a "barter system" works well in my mind would love to come and help out if it all works out mate not that far from you either stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I had 18 acres of really nice woodland in Kent, near Gravesend, which I shot myself and allowed some others to shoot. It wasn't a problem, and in fact I picked up 2000 acres permission as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Seven acres is not a lot really.It would soon be shot out even if you were going by yourself. the wood in question is joined on two sides by farmers fields, although I have no proof as yet (only seen maps,google images etc) Im sure that lofting a few deeks into tall trees/sitty trees on edge would pull the pigeons in, or maybe a bit of roost shooting, then you have squirrels and rabbits, yes you may clear the 7 acres, but as the woods in total are probably a few hundred, then once removed others will move in, plus as catweazle just stated, theres possibilties of other permissions via farmers or other wood owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 the wood in question is joined on two sides by farmers fields, although I have no proof as yet (only seen maps,google images etc) Im sure that lofting a few deeks into tall trees/sitty trees on edge would pull the pigeons in, or maybe a bit of roost shooting, then you have squirrels and rabbits, yes you may clear the 7 acres, but as the woods in total are probably a few hundred, then once removed others will move in, plus as catweazle just stated, theres possibilties of other permissions via farmers or other wood owners I wouldn't count on permissions from the other woodland owners, lots of woods are owned by tree-huggers. I asked the farmer on the orchard that bordered my woods if I could walk his land to shoot squirrels in my trees, so as to shoot into the woods rather than out of them. The farmer gave me permission to do that, and also to shoot several hundred acres more which were full of, in his words, "pesky pheasants". One chap I allowed to shoot in the woods found another shoot nearby and got me a permission form signed for 1000+ acres, when I mentioned to another farmer that I had permission on that farm he gave me permission on his too, so it all worked out pretty well. Unfortunately they're all on the other side of the country now I've moved to Wales, time to start again soon. I had my woods checked by the FEO, and cleared up to Hornet, so I made myself a short range and had hours of fun just plinking away with no pressure to please the farmer or do anything I didn't want to. It was plinking heaven. I soon shot all the squirrels though, and despite having a huge wood joined onto mine their numbers never recovered in the 5 years I owned it. Proof that you really can control their numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Be careful if buying woodland through some of the bigger online advertisers,Woodlands4sale/Woodlands trust etc,they all have a covenant about disturbance/paid shooting and often break big lumps of Woodland into small blocks.......you may find you are surrounded by members who are quite well disposed to applying the covenant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 try keeping shotgun shot within your boundary on 7 acres its not going to happen unless you only shoot things on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I'll keep you in mine walshie, do you have transport,insurance? air rifle/shotgun would probably give 3 month permission slips out to a few then stick with the best ones, reckon having regular shooters on the area would keep dog walkers/poachers/vandals/ at bay so to speak, maybe a days help for each month of shooting? at some point I would want to try and use felled trees to erect fences either in parts or all around, with big F* off signs saying private woodlands, keep out, shooting in progress,poisons laid on land beware etc "get orf my land", lol at some point site an old caravan there, so a day of painting it camo to blend in with surroundings/hide from nosey people, a good place to use if lamping at night? Transport, tick. Insurance, tick. Airgun, tick. Shotgun, tick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 try keeping shotgun shot within your boundary on 7 acres its not going to happen unless you only shoot things on the ground. True. 7 acres is pretty small, that's why you need permissions from the neighbours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Be careful if buying woodland through some of the bigger online advertisers,Woodlands4sale/Woodlands trust etc,they all have a covenant about disturbance/paid shooting and often break big lumps of Woodland into small blocks.......you may find you are surrounded by members who are quite well disposed to applying the covenant. already cottoned on to that, am only looking at woods with full shooting rights and no mention in covenants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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