beeredup Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Dont really know what to make of this vid. There are lot's of things that seem strange like the fact that the hounds are not speaking when they are obviously in such close proximity to charlie.The hounds that do come across him do not seem to know what to do.The fox that acts like a lapdog when it is picked up. The hounds that are in contact with the fox seem like young hounds,which would explain why they are outside the cover and dont really know how to react when charlie falls in their lap.The only thing with that is in November the majority of the pack will be made up with experienced hounds and not young hounds being introduced to hunting(normally sept and october when this happens)I have seen hounds react like they did before but that is earlier in the season when out cubbing with young hounds. As for the loon who picks the fox up,i have seen the likes of her before.They preach about cruelty to animals and then think nothing of kicking a hound or as on one occasion i seen even spray a hound in the face with ammonia ! Sad to see lots of comments on here from fellow shooters that i have heard before from the most vehement anti's who are against fox hunting not because it is cruel but because the people who do it are percieved to have more money than them. What you see in the vid is a freak occurance it is not the norm,had an experienced hound been there it would have been all over pretty quickly. spot on target!!! :good: :good: :good: :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Around here the hunt has become bigger; more people have joined it and the crowds that come to see the Boxing Day hunt have grown at leat 3 fold since the ban, so if anything there is more money being spent, not less. I don't think people (by that I mean the general public) are against anyone because they have money, but they feel happier celebrating and supporting a part of our heritage when it is seen as a part time rather than a hunt. Whether you agree or disagree with fox hunting you can't escape the fact that when the ban came in it was supported by most of the country so videos like this will always confirm what people think no matter what the facts are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'm sure that over 50% of the country opposed the ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) The Antis could off let that fox go them hounds were drag hound and not fox hunting hounds i have seen the 1st hound catch hold off the fox that went the wrong way and it had snapped its neck in seconds these hounds on the video were not fox hounds they may look like them but they certainly didnt act like them and the Antis would off known that and maybe let the fox go just for press coverage Edited November 25, 2012 by mark@mbb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'm sure that over 50% of the country opposed the ban I haven't seen any recent polls, but it was around 75% against last time I saw, but I suppose it depends on who is asking the question and what they ask, but people will see what they want to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 mental. she deserves a medal for doing that, and on the other hand an evaluation from the Doc. My view? Its a terrible thing to allow hunting with dogs, but thats just my view. I go ratting with terriers, so it makes me a hypocrite at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Z Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 That's shocking, those sweet waggy tail hounds were playing gently with that fox and those random people stopped it! Hilarious, "need urgent assistance now!". The most panicked person I've ever heard. If the fox wasn't soooo confused by the crazy woman grabbing it and screaming in its face it would have bitten her nose off. Good on her though. That's the sport that will end all country sports one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 That's shocking, those sweet waggy tail hounds were playing gently with that fox and those random people stopped it! Hilarious, "need urgent assistance now!". The most panicked person I've ever heard. If the fox wasn't soooo confused by the crazy woman grabbing it and screaming in its face it would have bitten her nose off. Good on her though. That's the sport that will end all country sports one day. If fox hunting ever does get banned all together the loony brigade with their misguided benefactors will turn all their attention and resources into trying to stop shooting of all kinds.So far from being the sport "that will end all country sports" it is probably the "sport that is keeping all country sports from the intense attention of the anti's. Seems to be a lot of anti hunt people on here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomov Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 I know I've already said this earlier in the thread, but I'm amazed at how many people on here are happy to shoot live quarry and even pursue other stuff with dogs but appear to condemn hunting with hounds. If you're really that bothered by hunting, how can you go shooting or ratting? Genuine question, not trying to cause a row, I just can't get my head around the thought process. Bruno22rf - if you read this, in turn, thanks for your mature response. I gues we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Good hunting to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 I know you have admitted that you are a hyprocrite, but do you actually have a reason to dislike hunting with hounds, yet enjoy ratting with terriers. Im not trying to start an arguement or be an idiot, but they are more or less the same activity. I really am quite gob-smacked at how many people on here are against hunting with hounds. I see rats as really nasty vermin. People will happily poison, shoot, trap, dog and stamp all over rats. Thats just how they are seen. I would do anything to have a rat killed. Strange aint it. For me, hunting foxes with dogs just seems like a big dog fight. I know they are a smaller distant cousin of the domestic dog, and i just dont find it ok. I would like to see any other breed of dog ripped apart, much the same as most people wouldnt. I wouldnt like to see dogs hunting deer or anything else. Its just how i see it im afraid. I have no problem ratting with terriers. Like i said, call me a hypocrite if you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 I see rats as really nasty vermin. People will happily poison, shoot, trap, dog and stamp all over rats. Thats just how they are seen. I would do anything to have a rat killed. Strange aint it. For me, hunting foxes with dogs just seems like a big dog fight. I know they are a smaller distant cousin of the domestic dog, and i just dont find it ok. I would like to see any other breed of dog ripped apart, much the same as most people wouldnt. I wouldnt like to see dogs hunting deer or anything else. Its just how i see it im afraid. I have no problem ratting with terriers. Like i said, call me a hypocrite if you will. ah but to the person that looses 100's of pounds worth of chickens to old charlie over a few nights think that a fox is really nasty vermin??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 ah but to the person that looses 100's of pounds worth of chickens to old charlie over a few nights think that a fox is really nasty vermin??? Of course, and im all for shooting them. Just seeing a fox, which is just a small dog, being ripped apart aint my bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Of course, and im all for shooting them. Just seeing a fox, which is just a small dog, being ripped apart aint my bag. I have to agree, maybe it's sentimentailty but we are only human after all. In response to Tomov's question, just because we shoot, it doesn't mean we shoot everything and agree with every form of hunting. Everyone makes their own choices on what they are comfortable doing, for me I don't go game shooting - or any sporting shooting, I go sea fishing but don't like big game/trophy fishing or even fishing in stocked lakes. I shoot rabbits, rats, squirrels and pigeons because they are pest species and they are eaten or sold (not rats obviously), I would shoot problem foxes but I am not in the 'the-only-good-fox-is-a-dead-fox' group. I pretty much leave corvids alone, but have taken jackdaws that were causing problems with their nests and crows when requested to but I don't shoot rooks as they are petty benign. My dad was a farm labourer and I happily grew up in the country with ferrets, guns and animals but I sometimes see shooters that have absolutely no idea baout country life and no feeling for what should be controlled, with the attitude of 'if it's on the list then blast it' but that isn't for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomov Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 All fair points Falcon FN and I will admit that I'm not terribly comfortable with all aspects of big game hunting myself. Just something about the idea of hunting big cats makes me a bit uneasy. However, I guess if I'm honest that's more to do with popular perception and lack of knowledge about the sustainability of hunting those species than any concerns about animal welfare or the 'humanity' of doing so (not sure that's very well expressed - hope it makes sense). Funny thing perception isn't it. I'd personally never shoot a fox unless forced to do so - only scoundrels ever would you see, a true gentleman would let Charlie take his chance in front of the pack (in happier, pre ban days obviously). All these pictures of lamped foxes (sometimes in fair numbers) seem a bit odd to me. But if that's your bag, there's plenty of foxes about and you're doing it as humanely as you can, then more power to you. I still can't get my head around how people think that shooting stuff is ok but hunting with hounds isn't though!. (Not aimed at you MM - I think I can see where you are coming from, although my view obviously differs a bit ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Of course, and im all for shooting them. Just seeing a fox, which is just a small dog, being ripped apart aint my bag. Fair play to you mate each to their own, the way i see it mr charlie ends up brown bread either way but i have no problems with some one who would prefer that hounds weren't used i personally have not issues with it. on another note i can't understand why people pay good money to go to eastern europe to shoot bears? as i think its a terrible thing to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Like a few others I'm of the opinion that the hounds weren't speaking out and therefore not on the fox, the fox looks surprised to see the hounds, horses and people, acts very strange and is most likely a plant, why else would the woman be able to so confidently pick it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Like a few that wasn't proper fox hounds doing their job they hadn't got a clue and weren't hunting, my pointer would have had a better effort than that and wouldn't have let it go. Its an anti propaganda video that has suckered a lot in, what is interesting is the views people have about hunting and that country people haven't seen it up close. When you look at a field out hunting the majority are women, they are the ones that see what goes on and also women are not prone to enjoying watching animal cruelty. My ex hunted for years and reckoned she saw worse things on one day out shooting as said they either get away or they don't, if they don't they rarely lasted as long as that one but they were used to killing foxes those weren't. Really you have to look at your own activities before listening to anti propaganda about things you have no real knowledge of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) I'm gob smacked with people's comment! Yes hunting foxes with hounds isn't the most humane way to kill it but *** it's a country sport! Once the tree huggers have had it banned altogether they will move on to driven shooting, pigeon shooting etc etc! Someone said something about the fox is exhausted after the chase then killed, what about fishing?? A long fight then a wack on the head! We should all stick together! That film was a biased anti film. Edited November 27, 2012 by WelshAndy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) IF THE VIDEO IS GENUINE .........good on her i aint barbaric and i like to think my quarry is dead before they here the bang, if anyone disagrees they are cruel i hate suffering as should everyone thats a responsible certificate holder, if the women had shot one of the horses i am sure there would have been questions asked, at the end of the day logically thinking is that any animal , vermin or not deserves to be despatched humanley and with some dignaty from a rat to a roe..... this it aint .....if anyone disagrees i dont give a rats *** Edited November 27, 2012 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 ps after rewatching the vid i would like to point out that the dogs teeth were cleaner than swampys nail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 IF THE VIDEO IS GENUINE .........good on her i aint barbaric and i like to think my quarry is dead before they here the bang, if anyone disagrees they are cruel i hate suffering as should everyone thats a responsible certificate holder, if the women had shot one of the horses i am sure there would have been questions asked, at the end of the day logically thinking is that any animal , vermin or not deserves to be despatched humanley and with some dignaty from a rat to a roe..... this it aint .....if anyone disagrees i dont give a rats *** what you like to think and what actually happens is very different, if you have been shooting any time at all you can't say all your quarry is dead in 15 seconds whereas the average hunt can. This is an extreme case as the hounds were not well trained to kill foxes had they been the woman would never have got the fox out alive. Proper fox hounds go for the neck and kill pretty much immediately but you do have to get them properly trained to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 i like to think my quarry is dead before they here the bang, if anyone disagrees they are cruel i hate suffering as should everyone thats a responsible certificate holder You may like to think this but the reality is your kidding yourself. I was shooting last week and had a couple of pricked birds. Sent the dog for them but one got away before the dog could get it. Does that make me cruel, inhumane and an irresponsible certificate holder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbiter Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Dont really know what to make of this vid. There are lot's of things that seem strange like the fact that the hounds are not speaking when they are obviously in such close proximity to charlie.The hounds that do come across him do not seem to know what to do.The fox that acts like a lapdog when it is picked up. The hounds that are in contact with the fox seem like young hounds,which would explain why they are outside the cover and dont really know how to react when charlie falls in their lap.The only thing with that is in November the majority of the pack will be made up with experienced hounds and not young hounds being introduced to hunting(normally sept and october when this happens)I have seen hounds react like they did before but that is earlier in the season when out cubbing with young hounds. As for the loon who picks the fox up,i have seen the likes of her before.They preach about cruelty to animals and then think nothing of kicking a hound or as on one occasion i seen even spray a hound in the face with ammonia ! Sad to see lots of comments on here from fellow shooters that i have heard before from the most vehement anti's who are against fox hunting not because it is cruel but because the people who do it are percieved to have more money than them. What you see in the vid is a freak occurance it is not the norm,had an experienced hound been there it would have been all over pretty quickly. 1 exactly..............and for what its worth,without sounding condescending,foxes arent related to dogs,dogs are canine,foxes are vulpine,now wheres my tin hat,lol.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETO Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 The way I see it - the dogs left it when they woman swooped in and again when she was running off with it. Now if they really wanted to rip it to shreds - they'd have taken the woman down too. And the fact it was released unharmed.. one dog bite can cause a hell of a lot of damage.. be it skin or fur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Can you imagine the uproar that would have caused if the mental woman was injured by the dogs. That would have been splashed across every tv and newspaper in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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