delburt0 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) As anyone shot these on live pigeons 28g 7.5s ..if so what was the results... Edited December 27, 2012 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I have absolutely no doubt that if you hit them in the right place they will die. Personally I don't think it shows a lot of respect quarry using clay loads for game. Myself I prefer 32g of 5's. The difference between a 5 and a 6 in terms of terminal energy transfer is quite a lot. The clay shot has a different hardness and is not designed to transfer energy into game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted December 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 I've been using blue diamond 28g, 7s as my favourite pigeon shell for the last 2 yrs with outstanding results these are a clay shell..just never tried hull competion loads , I no that gamebore 28g competition load is as good as a 32g clear pigeon load ,, I have just never tried a hull load, trying over the weekend anyway.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Yes I have ,hit them you kill them I use kents now of the same size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 will do the job fine mate. Pigeons are not hard to kill, unless you know the bulk of your shooting will be past 45/50 yards (which to be honest no matter what you hear on here most people wont be capable of doing) then you might want to look at bigger shot, upto a 5 maybe. If people cant consistently kill with an ounce of 7.5 to 45 odd yards then they will be wounding plenty of birds no matter what they throw at them. If in doubt put a shade more choke in, but a 1/2 should cover you nicely for whatever you see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 will find out next week,£36 a slab. Heard they are a gentle nudger , ideal in my sxs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I have absolutely no doubt that if you hit them in the right place they will die. Personally I don't think it shows a lot of respect quarry using clay loads for game. Myself I prefer 32g of 5's. The difference between a 5 and a 6 in terms of terminal energy transfer is quite a lot. The clay shot has a different hardness and is not designed to transfer energy into game. gamebore premium game loads "black glod" use diomond shot, a harder lead shot. probly higher %antimony. prolly just to get it to pattern good, esp at 1500fps etc..big difference between a soft #5 and a very fast #6. overall i`d take a 5 at any speed over #7 at 1500fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksopener Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 No problem been using clay loads for years it's ******** all this about using game loads for pigeons. If your decoying you should be getting the birds in to 20 yards no problems. I've shot clay loads for years and kill as clean as anything. I've witnessed lads on big driven days using 21g of 7 out of a 20g on pheasant so 28 gram is plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 No problem been using clay loads for years it's ******** all this about using game loads for pigeons. If your decoying you should be getting the birds in to 20 yards no problems. I've shot clay loads for years and kill as clean as anything. I've witnessed lads on big driven days using 21g of 7 out of a 20g on pheasant so 28 gram is plenty. there are some issues here, first, economy clay loads dont always have what they say on the box, 7.5 shotshells can contain any shotsizes, even 9s. as for 8s and 9 shells, would be a mixture of 8s and 9s. the premium loads usually have better shotsize regulation, but why shoot a £200/k clay shell when £180 or so pigeon shell can do the job.? second, why should a "sportsman" pay for a shell that is very exceptional for 20yards but not much more? as a dedicated decoy shell, a decent 7 would do, but availability is poor. even hull soverign shells in 6.5 are a great compromise. but they cost as much as a game shell. if i pay £200/k for shells you`d bet i`d want them to go beyond 20 yards. third, manufacturers have increased the price of their pigeon shells, because they are an intermediate shell between clay, and game. the same time and effort and components shouldnt cost more than the 1oz counterpart. they just put a premium on pigeon shells so they dont affect the game shell market. i would bet if pigeon loads were cheaper, you`d use them. going to clay loads is only based on cost. i doubt anyone would use these on pigeon.... http://www.hullcartridge.co.uk/threecrowns.htm at £273 /k and these are the magical 28g #7. http://www.hullcartridge.co.uk/impgame.htm at £244 /k and these too are at the magic 28g #7 hull special pigeon £214. cheap clay load... compx £166 you are actually paying for the brand/ name. £50 more in pigeon loads, and £100 more in premium game load, shooting clay loads at pigeon is just a cost cutting excercise, thats all. even digweed uses his signature pigeon extreme at 34g of #5, now that is a pigeonload and a half ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 will find out next week,£36 a slab. Heard they are a gentle nudger , ideal in my sxs Where did you get them from at that price? They're at least £45 a slab round here. And yes, they are a nice light recoiling cartridge that kill clays well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Sorry,£38 from crawfords in s****horpe he quoted over the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Sorry,£38 from crawfords in s****horpe he quoted over the phone. LOL at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Sorry,£38 from crawfords in s****horpe he quoted over the phone. Still pretty cheap, but not worth going to S****horpe for! Actually, think I paid £48 a slab last time, and that was at least a year ago now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 kent are £38 so giving them a bash, out of stock until thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I would forget the 20 yards business for a start. I scored my second-highest ever score on a standard to hard-ish sporting layout (88%) using Hull Comp X 21s! I was on quite good form then etc etc but you get the point. I use 28gm 7.5s (gamebore supergem) on pigeons and so do many others. I think (for me personally) 3-32gm 5s are overkill. I use them on crows and pheasants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakoQuad Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I recently asked the same question of an instructor / coach who is rated as a very fine game shot who has also shot at high levels in clay competition over many years. I reckon therefore that he knows a thing or two about shooting. My question was specifically about CompX 28gram 71/2's His reply was that he had heard a lot of nonsense talked about not using clay loads on pigeon over the years but that it was obviously fine to use them (and a lot cheaper). His caveat was that the distance should really be no more than 30 yards and his concern was that many shooters couldn't judge 30 yards if their life depended on it!!!! He didn't think they should be used over distances greater than 40 yards or so as the risk of wounding increased steeply (not that stuff couldn't be killed cleanly as it clearly can be just that wounding risk increased to what for him was an unacceptable level). His view is commonly echoed on the forum by many members of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 The instructor was vewy vewy cowwect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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