Gunneravi Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Passing re-proof is not without risk to the gun ! I would try for a refund first . Deffinately push for refund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I posted the letter today ----------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 If its been honed then it is over bored by the sounds of it few thou if it wasn't equally honed the whole length it may have some additional choking, I would certainly consider a round or 2 of clays before the last days of the season with your preffered carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Very wise comment HDAV. It comes down to a proper inspection and, once again, Mr Teague. His knowledge is second to none and he is quite willing to have a look. A pattern plate would be the best temporary option until then. I will let you know how the high birds like the gun. Having confidence in the gun and cartridges is more than half the battle! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 To be fair to them they are ok when they get to know you. Being located where they are they are very cautious about people they don't know coming in off the street. If you think they have bad attitude you should have gone to Mr Wilkins at Gun and Rod in Alvin Street. I almost got thrown out when I started asking about the guns once. I went back the following day in uniform and we had a long chat. After that a trip to get cartridges usually lasted about 2 hours. Lovely old chap who sadly passed away just after retiring. I think he was about 86 and ran that shop on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 To be fair to them they are ok when they get to know you. Being located where they are they are very cautious about people they don't know coming in off the street. If you think they have bad attitude you should have gone to Mr Wilkins at Gun and Rod in Alvin Street. I almost got thrown out when I started asking about the guns once. I went back the following day in uniform and we had a long chat. Sounds like they should just not have a shop.... I mean people walking in and asking about guns! Incredible thing to do in a gun shop!!!! I mean fancy that......... What do they expect? People to walk in and ask about flowers? Never been to a shop where I got thrown out for asking about guns..... One wanted to see SGC/FAC before letting me handle them when I explained that the time I was waiting for my cert they obliged...... What's way to run a retail business! About a century out of date! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I think they had lots of people coming in asking how they could get a gun without a ticket. They get a lot of time wasters but that's because of the locations. Like I said the one shop has shut because the owner was very old and passed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Oh dear, more tales of woe! Good news though - I had a email saying they were looking into the issues - that's the last I heard from them. The comment by SakoQuad shop sums it up - I had the impression the shop rarely sees many people through the door and, quite rightly, the area the shop is in was once prosperous and now has a lot of our foreign friends. (Not being racist!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakoQuad Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 To be fair to them they are ok when they get to know you. Being located where they are they are very cautious about people they don't know coming in off the street. If you think they have bad attitude you should have gone to Mr Wilkins at Gun and Rod in Alvin Street. I almost got thrown out when I started asking about the guns once. I went back the following day in uniform and we had a long chat. After that a trip to get cartridges usually lasted about 2 hours. Lovely old chap who sadly passed away just after retiring. I think he was about 86 and ran that shop on his own. I remember the shop in Alvin Street as well didn't know the chap's name but only ever went there a couple of times which was enough! I think I spent most of my money in the "good old days" at Fletchers in Kings Square who were at least polite and interested in selling you stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 That's going back a time, you're showing your age fella! Having sent a PM to CaptC I'm not at all surprised to learn that it is the same shop who "disposed" of my grandfathers rather nice old side by side when he died. Although I was too young to know much about it I know it was handed to him by a man who regularly socialised with royalty and wouldn't be seen on a game day with any less than a Purdey or H&H. They do indeed appear to be a friendly old fashioned place when they get to know you, but unfortunately I have similar feelings for them after my fathers experience all those years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakoQuad Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 True nuff but have a few good years left yet (I hope!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I remember the shop in Alvin Street as well didn't know the chap's name but only ever went there a couple of times which was enough! I think I spent most of my money in the "good old days" at Fletchers in Kings Square who were at least polite and interested in selling you stuff! Pete was his name, got on very well with my wife so I use to send here in to buy for me. Really nice chap and had loads of time for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Update: I have had a reply from the shop which I will gladly copy and paste to anyone who PM's me. The shop has refused to consider the £90cost to re-proof the gun saying it was sold "in proof" and they would buy in similar guns. I have again pointed out that there is only a max of .2 thou left. Their answer was that if the gun is re-proofed the value does not go up. I replied that if I wished to sell the gun (re-proofed) at least I could sell it as it would be difficult now! I am, again awaiting a reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Tbh,2 thou in is in.........do they have the calibration cert for their bore scope available for you to see? Tolerance is the real question.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Whose tolerance? Mine or the guns? Seriously, you are quite right and I will ask for any figures that they may have taken. Thanks for you comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Lol...... The borescoping tolerance (not just the kit, but the process) It's a difficult thing to measure with an accuracy of +/- 2 thou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Thanks for that. I think that different gunshops measure (perhaps) to their benefit? For example, if you were to sell a gun to a shop its proof might be less than if the same shop were to sell it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Thanks for that. I think that different gunshops measure (perhaps) to their benefit? For example, if you were to sell a gun to a shop its proof might be less than if the same shop were to sell it? Could well happen....... This is why i would suggest getting measured by an experienced and independent gunsmith, just because it is out of proof does not mean it will fail reproof......Just because it measures in does not mean it will pass either 2 thou is 0.0508mm which is about the limit of most modern production processes, pretty fine. Most proper bore measuring devices are designed to be accurate to 1 thou 0.001" but its a precise job..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 There is a long established gunshop in Gloucester where I recently bought a quite expensiveshotgun. I had it looked when I got home by a gunsmith friend who said it was only just in proof - The shop told me it was "well in proof" which I believed. Could someone please educate me on this one? How does one know that a shotgun requires reproofing? What are the criteria? to which guns (Age / type) do the criteria apply? In the sense that do proofing marks have an expiry date just like an MOT? Many thanks. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Could someone please educate me on this one? How does one know that a shotgun requires reproofing? What are the criteria? to which guns (Age / type) do the criteria apply? In the sense that do proofing marks have an expiry date just like an MOT? Many thanks. Bob I believe it works on a sizing system, so when it is proofed the bores are measured, then they are allowed to increase up by a certain amount before it is considered " out of proof" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Could someone please educate me on this one? How does one know that a shotgun requires reproofing? What are the criteria? to which guns (Age / type) do the criteria apply? In the sense that do proofing marks have an expiry date just like an MOT? Many thanks. Bob Very good question. Have a read http://www.gunproof....g/proofing.html Once there has been a significant change to the gun (removal of material from pressure bearing parts etc) then the gun requires reproof this could be due to pitting, due to screw in chokes being retro fitted, many reasons. There is no time limit on proof, older and pitted guns should be regularly inspected and measured to ensure they remain in proof, once out of proof illegal to sell a gun, but can be reproofed once remedial work has been done. Edited January 20, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptC Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I always thought that if more than .10 thou was removed, either by wear, honing or changing the internal bore 9" from the breach the gun was deemed out of proof. eg If you put a .740 plug into the breach and it passes through a .729 bored gun the gun is out of proof. Plug gauges are a very, very rough guide though! The only way to tell properly is as HDAV says is to have the gun looked at by a good old fashioned independent gunsmith and not one of your "Supermarket" gun stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Sorry to hear about your experiences with the gunshop in Gloucester, I expect its Allsports as there are many tales of bad experiences coming from there. My father dealt with them many years ago when they were half decent, I followed on his advice, not for long. I had the headache on my 700 boxlock sorted by them, cost 90notes, 200 shots later it was getting loose, took it to another gunsmith who said the hook had been peened and was a bodge job for the money, one I could have done myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Just had a quick read back through some of the posts,bit of a trip down memory lane, Pete in Alvin street, great place when you either knew the chap or got him on a good day. Fletchers, now that goes back a bit, remember John, the young lad, he was my ex brother in law. When Fletchers went down the pan the lad went into computers and made a small fortune. I mentioned Allsports because it just may save someone being stitched up. Ron made is pennies from accountancy and the shop is now basically a hobby, the man is a patronising old *** and I laid trust in him like many others.A mate was given a half decent AYA, his first gun, he took it to Allsports and Ron told him was dangerous and had a badly pitted bore and offered free distruction. Me old mate told the story to the chap who gave him the gun and the bloke nearly fell over backwards, nowt wrong with it. Some will read this and say its out of order naming and shaming an RFD as times are tough etc, well things have changed and new shops are offering a much better service. Timmy Shale in Westgate street for one, County sports I think he calls himself or Rob at R&B sporting in Ross on Wye. Edited January 20, 2013 by Redgum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 eg If you put a .740 plug into the breach and it passes through a .729 bored gun the gun is out of proof. Plug gauges are a very, very rough guide though! The only way to tell properly is as HDAV says is to have the gun looked at by a good old fashioned independent gunsmith and not one of your "Supermarket" gun stores. Doesnt mean a gun that the plug does not pass through is in proof though......which is why it is not a good test. http://gibbsgunmakers.com/Notes%20on%20Proof%20and%20Wall%20Thickness%20of%20Shotguns.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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