Jody Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Hi all I have a question I was thinking of getting an Airow gun adaptor for my bow and using it to hunt with in the uk but is this legal? It's not legal to bow hunt with a bow and arrow but this is not with an arrow I think it's a fine line but would like to see how others would view this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jody Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Link? http://www.airowgun.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Depending on what bow you use, it may land you in the realms of requiring an FAC. From what I've read a 60lb bow would be well over the limit for air guns. I'm not sure how the police would view it either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I was thinking the same but not sure who can confirm it. As its not a rifle or a bow I didn't know what it would come under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I was under the impression that all bow hunting in the Uk is illegal. But I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I was under the impression that all bow hunting in the Uk is illegal. But I could be wrong. Yes bow hunting is illegal but its not bow hunting. Bow Hunting is with a bow and arrow this is with a bow and 22 pellet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 just buy it, and let me have a go too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) If its a "firearm" I.e. a gun then will need FAC, if it is a bow you can't hunt with it either way your in trouble if found hunting with it! Read the 1968 firearm act with amendments and the 2010 VCR act. BTW hunt what exactly? Edited January 19, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I reckon it could be classed as an air rifle if the bow powers a plunger in a barrel. Then the question would be the power. Should be easy to chrono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) have seen a crossbow that fires a 8mm ball baring at Velocity 32 Grain 8mm Balls 410 ft/sec and a lead shaped Power 32 Grain 8mm Balls 12ft/lbs or a lead projectile elocity 30 Cal Lead Projectiles: 308 ft/sec Power 30 Cal Lead Projectiles : 23.3ft/lb its not firing a arrow/bolt so would this be legal to shoot vermin like rabbits pigeons squirrels http://www.crossbows...ptor/4539462487 and its not got a barrel don't use explosives/ propellent powder Edited January 19, 2013 by littlerob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskoky Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I would say this would be classified as an air gun. The bow is simply pushing on a piston to provide the air power. The question would be what power it is outputting, is it FAC? I would argue that you could hunt with this. instead of a spring or PCP cylinder you are powering the air rifle with a bow string - so its an air rifle not a bow. Would be an interesting discussion with the coppers though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 just buy it, and let me have a go too That's what I was thinking to lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I am going to ring my feo to see what he thinks and also basc. I would use it for rabbits etc just small pests really. If the bow is set to 50lb it shouldn't go over the Limit any more than that and it would have to go on a fac I think. Looks fun so I'm going to get one even if its just for the garden at £160 its cheaper than a pcp and decent springer. You can get them to shoot paintballs to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 have seen a crossbow that fires a 8mm ball baring at Velocity 32 Grain 8mm Balls 410 ft/sec and a lead shaped Power 32 Grain 8mm Balls 12ft/lbs or a lead projectile elocity 30 Cal Lead Projectiles: 308 ft/sec Power 30 Cal Lead Projectiles : 23.3ft/lb its not firing a arrow/bolt so would this be legal to shoot vermin like rabbits pigeons squirrels http://www.crossbows...ptor/4539462487 and its not got a barrel don't use explosives/ propellent powder I would put that in the same bracket as a sling shot and you can use them, again it's a fine line as to what is legal and what's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Yes bow hunting is illegal but its not bow hunting. Bow Hunting is with a bow and arrow this is with a bow and 22 pellet. Apologies, I misread your original post. I imagine it would be great fun to shoot and I'd be interested to see what groupings you'd get at 30 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Looks like it would be good fun. Would make for good plinking competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 675 fps with all but the lightest .22 pellets would make it FAC in UK circa 14 ft/lbs the issue is that the bow could easily exceed that sort of draw thus throw you into trouble...Nice idea but I would say impractical with UK legislation. The paintball one looks like fun.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 If I do get one I will post a video up of it. ill wait to hear from BASC first to see what they think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 have seen a crossbow that fires a 8mm ball baring at Velocity 32 Grain 8mm Balls 410 ft/sec and a lead shaped Power 32 Grain 8mm Balls 12ft/lbs or a lead projectile elocity 30 Cal Lead Projectiles: 308 ft/sec Power 30 Cal Lead Projectiles : 23.3ft/lb its not firing a arrow/bolt so would this be legal to shoot vermin like rabbits pigeons squirrels http://www.crossbows...ptor/4539462487 and its not got a barrel don't use explosives/ propellent powder It doesn't need explosives to be called a gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 This looks too confusing from a legal point of view and I'm pretty sure you would end up in court, if only for them to test the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 This looks too confusing from a legal point of view and I'm pretty sure you would end up in court, if only for them to test the law. You could be right there mate. I may get one for the garden to have a play with if I get it ill wait to see what basc say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonclay Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Looks fun !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I was thinking the same but not sure who can confirm it. As its not a rifle or a bow I didn't know what it would come under. Apply the definition of 'firearm' in the Act, which is; 'A lethal barelled weapon capable of discharging shot, a bullet or other missile.'. From the look of it and the description of how it works it's a firearm according to that definition. The problem then is what type of airgun is it because rifles and pistols have different upper power limits before they need to go on to FAC. If it's a rifle then it can be up to 12ft/lbs but only half that if a pistol. In the latter case if it exceeds the power limit it is a section 5 prohibited pistol so you can't have it at all. If it's 12ft/lbs and the barrel is under 300mm then it's sec.5 as well. The real problem is that I don't know how you would classify it as I don't think it can reasonably be described as either rifle or pistol. J. J. I would say this would be classified as an air gun. The bow is simply pushing on a piston to provide the air power. The question would be what power it is outputting, is it FAC? I would argue that you could hunt with this. instead of a spring or PCP cylinder you are powering the air rifle with a bow string - so its an air rifle not a bow. Would be an interesting discussion with the coppers though! I don't think it is. It isn't a 'rifle' which is a long gun with a stock and which is designed to be fired from the shoulder. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Also I don't suppose it would have any rifleing, if it fires a pellet at more than 12ftlb then I would guess it is fac, otherwise everyone would have one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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