new shot Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I need some advice on a moderated shotgun,I have a 410 pedretti which is great but i want to increase the range. So i am looking for a 20g or 12g single shot or o/u..I prefer the pedretti as i dont like the baikel and its probably not as quiet as the pedretti as the moderator is shorter, and i dont want a pump action.. I might even go for the 20g o/u investarm but its a lot of money new...I have also seen a laporte which looks like a very nice gun, probably to nice to knock around with...I would really appreciate your advice..Does the pedretti 12g or 20g have much difference in noise between them..Or do i go for the investarm and be done with it?..Or would the laporte be quiter than the investarm? Thanks for reading and any advice would be good please.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) i was after .410 and check baikal, mossberg and pedretti and i did settle for pump mossberg 3 shoot. it is superb gun. i think pellet fired from 12b and .410 kills same just less pellets. on pic is my 19.01.13 morning walk with my .410 only 45 mins. Edited January 24, 2013 by alendil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new shot Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Thanks bud thats got me thinking about the pump now...is it as quiet as a single barrel?.. I have seen a 12g pump not far from me but its 64 inches long which seems a bit too long... Maybe i should just get one and see for myself..Thanks for your advice and pic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lodge Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I have the 20g o/u and I really like it. It takes a bit of getting used to mind. It is fairly quiet using hushpower cartridges. Sitsin hedges is the man to talk to though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Thanks bud thats got me thinking about the pump now...is it as quiet as a single barrel?.. I have seen a 12g pump not far from me but its 64 inches long which seems a bit too long... Maybe i should just get one and see for myself..Thanks for your advice and pic... 64 inches ? Damn, you could club them to death, and save the cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 my shooting buddy has the 410 , mossberg pump and it awesome bit of kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Ive got the .410 mossberg pump action and its about 54inches long. It isnt as quiet as the pedretti single barrel one as like you say, the moderator on that is longer. In all fairness, most of the reviews I read said that the 12 bore & .410 versions both have the same range. But the .410 has a smaller shot pattern so you need to be more accurate. Depending upon what you are shooting, it might be worth getting a decent PCP air rifle. I find that I tend to use my .22 air rifle much more than my hushpower for rabbits as i find its got a slightly longer range and im more accurate with it. However, for moving targets like pigeons etc... then that wouldnt be an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new shot Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Thanks for your reply..I like the idea of the o/u 20g as it has a follow up shoy...do you think its a lot louder than 410 fully moderater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new shot Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Thanks for reply..I have been using my weirauch a lot recently, i might go and try a 410 pump and see what its like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lodge Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I have never heard the 410 so I can't really say. I can say that I can use it for an afternoon shooting clays and have no need of ear muffs. I dont think you should concetrate on what you can hear but what everthing one hundred yards away hears, as that is where your next rabbit will be. If you fire it at flying things it will be a lot more quiet than if you fire it at things in front of hedges where there will be some noise bouncing back. If you were local you could have a go with mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new shot Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I think deep down i want the 20g o/o which will still be quiet and still have better chance of a clean kill as opposed to the 410..There is a guy with a 12g pump hushpower near me,I might ask him for a try but its a bloody long gun..Does your 20g fit into a standard cabinet length wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bry-M Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I've got a 12g mossberg pump hushpower, it is looong! Problem with the pump actions is the hushpower barrel can't start until after the action, making the gun very long in comparison to a single shot/over under. Much quieter when used around hedges/trees/buildings, in the open the sound seems to travel. Ear protection still isn't needed though. Sometimes racking the pump is louder than the shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lodge Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Yes it fits ok, not much room to spare though. Had a bit of trouble finding a slip for it though, not because it is too long but because it is too fat. Plus you get all the usual benifits of 20g less recoil etc. Some say that the cartridges are more expensive but they seem to be about the same as 12g to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 first of all, 410 isnt the greatest tool for long range. with the calibre argument, you may as well talk about cartridges, both andy and i use homeload subsonics, but thats the point we arnt shooting factory stuff. even he uses #4s for game (i think). so apart from the arguments of what calibre, just get the gear together to homeload. it gets the best out of most guns. i stuck to 12gauge, because thats all i shoot. i have the option of 1oz, 32g, 36g, 42g and probly 50gram subsonics. in any large shotsize. there really isnt much i cant do. the 20gauge is a fantastic gauge, especially in 3" can do 32g subs easily, and with the investarm, pretty unbeatable. if only they did 12gauge, i`d be on it. as for the .410 cartridge selection, its pretty limited. as due to hull limitations, comercial offerings etc. even a reloader will improve on .410 carts. as for game shooting, go up a few shotsizes. they pattern to tight to be worrying about low shotcount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new shot Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Cheers thats very helpful..I will also look into homeloads..thanks again.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 having owned both 12g and 410 in the pedretti hushpower, and selling them on, I also had a norica 3shot bolt hushpower, sold on too, I picked up a new mossberg 410, last month and love it, using stand two and half inch carts I reckon the noise is same as unmodded gun, but using 3" sub sonics it is like a springer air rifle, standing 10yds away it really is quite I would say, the same as my pedretti was, the clunk click when reloading, is the nosiest thing, but it always makes me smile top marks for mossberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrawny40 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 i got the 20 mossberg, its a top gun. realy quiet with subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) I owned the Pedretti .410 hushpower and found it spring airgun quiet but very limited for range and difficult to aim. I then went on to a single pedretti 20gauge which had far more range but getting the Investarm O/U 20gauge was a game changer. Without pushing the boundaries too far I can use it in pretty much any situation a normal shotgun can be used and most of my decoying was done with it this year. At 50 inches it will fit inside most cabinets. It's not as quiet as the .410 but the noise is such that people walking within say 150yards wont even look up when I shoot. About as loud as clapping hands. Once I've settled in with the newer one that I've just bought old faithful will be sold for around £250. It's a bit of an old banger but has a few seasons left in it yet for those interested. Edited January 24, 2013 by sitsinhedges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lodge Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Why did you buy a new one sitsinhedges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 i`d get an investarm - moderated 12gauge if they did them. reloading subs for 12gauge is really easy, there are quite a few recipes about. reloading for 20gauge is as easy, its just a matter of finding the right recipe. the only ****** about the 20gauge, is the low selection of comercial carts. i know what all the guys say, #6 will take down anything, IMHO subsonics need a good healthy ballance of big shot, even at 800fps (which i have made and tested) were as good as the 1000fps, just because i used 2s n 4s, these subs are do-able in the 20, but not the .410 and 28gauge. thats for game, thats also for a "DRT" dead right there! none of this chasing after shot game. if investarm had a 12gauge version, i bet the`d sell more. just as easy to load for, shame the 12gauge subsonic selection of carts is as limited as the 20gauge. making homeloading really worth while. the subsonics are classed as trainer ammunition, or low recoil, and i certainly wont be entertaining any nonsense about using the7.5s or so on game. they are litterally down 1/3rd of their power or more compared to normal traditional 1300fps ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Eley fourlong 2:1/2 inch are quieter than eley 3 inch subsonic carts. Much quieter in my modded fourten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salizar Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Eley fourlong 2:1/2 inch are quieter than eley 3 inch subsonic carts. Much quieter in my modded fourten. I agree, I use the fourlong`s in my mossberg 500 moderated when shooting near residential areas, they are very quiet, S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Eley fourlong 2:1/2 inch are quieter than eley 3 inch subsonic carts. Much quieter in my modded fourten. Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Why did you buy a new one sitsinhedges? Just updating like you would a new car. This is my most important gun and I don't want to end up without one in a few years. first of all, 410 isnt the greatest tool for long range. with the calibre argument, you may as well talk about cartridges, both andy and i use homeload subsonics, but thats the point we arnt shooting factory stuff. even he uses #4s for game (i think). so apart from the arguments of what calibre, just get the gear together to homeload. it gets the best out of most guns. i stuck to 12gauge, because thats all i shoot. i have the option of 1oz, 32g, 36g, 42g and probly 50gram subsonics. in any large shotsize. there really isnt much i cant do. the 20gauge is a fantastic gauge, especially in 3" can do 32g subs easily, and with the investarm, pretty unbeatable. if only they did 12gauge, i`d be on it. as for the .410 cartridge selection, its pretty limited. as due to hull limitations, comercial offerings etc. even a reloader will improve on .410 carts. as for game shooting, go up a few shotsizes. they pattern to tight to be worrying about low shotcount. A 20gauge husher is knocking past 7 1/2lbs, if they did a 12gauge o/u version I think it would be too heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprocker101 Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Im looking for a pump 20bore hush power, had a go on a 12bore and its not all that quiet. The 20bore however, hopefully should be a good compromise, quieter than the 12 and more usable than the .410 ( well thats the plan anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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